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Citruscide
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Cornholio said:
I agree 100%. Taking DNP is VERY structured... it's about following the "rules".
Excellant points.
C-ditty
I agree 100%. Taking DNP is VERY structured... it's about following the "rules".
Excellant points.
C-ditty
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Citruscide said:
Corn, perhaps it wasn't stated in the initial post, but he does say this later on.
I won't pretend to even come close to the level of understanding that you and spatts (and presumably C-Ditty) have of DNP, but simply from a practical perspective regarding the well-being of the female members of the board....if C-Ditty's intent is to clear up *A* misconception about DNP, and to discuss the viability of DNP as a dietary aid, then the other potential risks and gotchas should be mentioned.
Taken out of context, someone looking for DNP information on this board could read this thread, and get the impression that DNP's not nearly as risky as they thought.
It's all well and good to draw a comparison between DNP and var, but I doubt anyone's ever died from taking var.
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Citruscide
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I doubt anyone has ever died from DNP. Sure... many people die a day... I'd say 1000's... and DNP isn't tested for in the autopsy... but neither is var...
"gotchas?" there are none, if you follow the rules... I mean, you feel like utter crap, because you are on an ATP-inhibitor... you lack energy.. get tired... etc.
and you'd be right project... DNP isn't as dangerous as people THINK it is. Used correctly, it is an effective tool for burning fat...
C-ditty
"gotchas?" there are none, if you follow the rules... I mean, you feel like utter crap, because you are on an ATP-inhibitor... you lack energy.. get tired... etc.
and you'd be right project... DNP isn't as dangerous as people THINK it is. Used correctly, it is an effective tool for burning fat...
C-ditty
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Citruscide
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Project -- On the anavar comment... there wasn't a comparison between the drugs made... but rather the willingness to openly discuss them.
There is an abundance of information on anavar posted on the boards, and yet... a lack of information on DNP. Clearly, DNP has more risks than anavar...
There aren't too many people who have the knowledge to really DISCUSS DNP... of the people I know are Myself, Corn, Fonz, Macro, Huck, the late and great DNP_Guru, Andy13... I'm sure I'm leaving a few out... but I know some of these guys have USED the stuff... and have learned how to use it effectively, while minimizing the risks.
Project, I have no doubt, that if someone were to pop 600mg-800mg of DNP per day... without taking the proper precautions... their life would be in jepordy. The same way someone who does an abundance of insulin, without the proper precautions... or even someone who takes too much tylonel.
I really don't disagree with Spatts on the fact that many precautions should be taken when taking DNP... but simply dismissing it as "that stuff is too dangerous, no one shoudl take it" -- and then suggested T3/4? T3 goes with it's OWN dangers as well... and I would be most likely to say, they scare me more than anything DNP could do to me.
Anavar and DNP are really different drugs... I agree. But by no means is DNP a "shortcut" or an "easy road" -- it holds just as many sacrifices as a diet and cardio... as you have to be on a strict diet and supplementation regime while taking it... the only difference is, the results will be quicker.
C-ditty
There is an abundance of information on anavar posted on the boards, and yet... a lack of information on DNP. Clearly, DNP has more risks than anavar...
There aren't too many people who have the knowledge to really DISCUSS DNP... of the people I know are Myself, Corn, Fonz, Macro, Huck, the late and great DNP_Guru, Andy13... I'm sure I'm leaving a few out... but I know some of these guys have USED the stuff... and have learned how to use it effectively, while minimizing the risks.
Project, I have no doubt, that if someone were to pop 600mg-800mg of DNP per day... without taking the proper precautions... their life would be in jepordy. The same way someone who does an abundance of insulin, without the proper precautions... or even someone who takes too much tylonel.
I really don't disagree with Spatts on the fact that many precautions should be taken when taking DNP... but simply dismissing it as "that stuff is too dangerous, no one shoudl take it" -- and then suggested T3/4? T3 goes with it's OWN dangers as well... and I would be most likely to say, they scare me more than anything DNP could do to me.
Anavar and DNP are really different drugs... I agree. But by no means is DNP a "shortcut" or an "easy road" -- it holds just as many sacrifices as a diet and cardio... as you have to be on a strict diet and supplementation regime while taking it... the only difference is, the results will be quicker.
C-ditty
C, believe it or not, I agree with you. Is it your responsitbility to make sure people don't harm themselves through improper use of DNP? ABSOLUTLEY NOT! We are all accountable for our OWN actions, educating ourselves...just as you said. I do think there's a journalistic integrity to DIRECTING a person to that research/information, or providing it, when attempting to provoke curiosity in the substance through posting favorable updates to the drug's risk. No, I wasn't referring to Macro when I said this, he has covered all bases quite thoroughly on the Best of Elite and Anabolic forums.
As you mentioned in your first post, you posted this info in other places. You were thoughtful enough to post it here, as well. I'm assuming you posted it here because you thought the people here might not visit CEM, anabolic, best of elite, etc. Using that same logic, how would those same people know where to look for the additional information that is so crucial?
I am simply asking for there to be a link from this information, to the rest of the information - the information that truly makes this drug the safest it can possibly be for human use. I hope that if any of the ladies in this forum are interested in using this product, and don't know much about it, they will not only read, but ask questions. There's no room for error. Cellular metabolism is a complicated and amazing topic, and I would venture to say that MANY of the people using DNP, and even those using it correctly, don't understand it well enough to know WHY they're doing what they're doing...now consider all those who are not educated in biological science. The risk increases. This is why people like Macro, who can say "look, just do this" are a blessing to uneducated users. Without him, they might just turn yellow and keel over before they teach themselves kitchen biochemistry. My goal is to link your post, which sparks interest in DNP, with the REST of the information. I don't think that's an unfair request.
I have taken the liberty of adding just a few links below. If you're interested in DNP, please check them out and ASK QUESTIONS. I know any of the people C listed above will go out of their way to help you. As it was stated above, taking DNP isn't easy...and those words are from a chemist!
DNP and Glycogen Synthesis
DNP - Propaganda vs. Truth
DNP - Catabolism
If for any reason you can't open these threads due to your member level, I will be happy to copy crucial information into this thread for you.
As you mentioned in your first post, you posted this info in other places. You were thoughtful enough to post it here, as well. I'm assuming you posted it here because you thought the people here might not visit CEM, anabolic, best of elite, etc. Using that same logic, how would those same people know where to look for the additional information that is so crucial?
I am simply asking for there to be a link from this information, to the rest of the information - the information that truly makes this drug the safest it can possibly be for human use. I hope that if any of the ladies in this forum are interested in using this product, and don't know much about it, they will not only read, but ask questions. There's no room for error. Cellular metabolism is a complicated and amazing topic, and I would venture to say that MANY of the people using DNP, and even those using it correctly, don't understand it well enough to know WHY they're doing what they're doing...now consider all those who are not educated in biological science. The risk increases. This is why people like Macro, who can say "look, just do this" are a blessing to uneducated users. Without him, they might just turn yellow and keel over before they teach themselves kitchen biochemistry. My goal is to link your post, which sparks interest in DNP, with the REST of the information. I don't think that's an unfair request.
I have taken the liberty of adding just a few links below. If you're interested in DNP, please check them out and ASK QUESTIONS. I know any of the people C listed above will go out of their way to help you. As it was stated above, taking DNP isn't easy...and those words are from a chemist!
DNP and Glycogen Synthesis
DNP - Propaganda vs. Truth
DNP - Catabolism
If for any reason you can't open these threads due to your member level, I will be happy to copy crucial information into this thread for you.
If you like it, use it. If not, not.
Funny thing is you can walk into a CVS, buy a 100 Bottle count of extra-strength tylenol and down it all......then die in 2-3 days of liver or renal complications.
This happens more than 7 000 times/year.
Only known 2-3 people that had complications due to DNP.
It may be dangerous, but you need to be INFORMED to acquire and use it properly.
Not so with paracetamol.
And we call that LEGAL.
In the end its just semantics.
Fonz
Funny thing is you can walk into a CVS, buy a 100 Bottle count of extra-strength tylenol and down it all......then die in 2-3 days of liver or renal complications.
This happens more than 7 000 times/year.
Only known 2-3 people that had complications due to DNP.
It may be dangerous, but you need to be INFORMED to acquire and use it properly.
Not so with paracetamol.
And we call that LEGAL.
In the end its just semantics.
Fonz
spatts said:If we're going to be redundant with the emphatic closure of self promulgated perspicacity, could we at least be solution oriented about it?
No real solution exists.
If I do know one thing......once a person sets his mind on something he/she will do it no matter what the hell we say.
Good Information is the only real tool.
I'm pretty sure pretty much all the DNP info has been un-covered.
Fonz
TheProject
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Citruscide said:
My point about dying from DNP is this: if used improperly, and I think we're all talking about discouraging improper use, it can kill you. You use too much var, let's say, the same risk does not exist.
Perhaps that's why one is discussed more than the other: safety factors. It's up to each person, as has been said, to evaluate the risk/reward factors, and then decide for themselves.
I agree, good information is the only thing we can provide for everyone, and hope they read enough of it before they try it.
For the record...my intent was not to say that DNP is not dangerous, rather quite the opposite. But that's my personal assessment.
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Citruscide
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My objective of posting this has been completed.
The more questions, the more inquiries... the better.
C-ditty
The more questions, the more inquiries... the better.
C-ditty
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