DNP and Women... I think I may have posted this....

[Citruscide]

 

[spatts]

In lieu of our conversation, I feel like adding a few more comments. I understand your opinion, and Macro's opinion, that ANY substance is dangerous in the hands of a moron. You contend that it is not DNP that is dangerous, it's people that don't know how to use it. You made an anology to insulin, and taking it without food...the person dies from insulin related complications, but only because they didn't eat right while on it.

I agree with you on this stance; however, if it's so damn important for people to understand HOW and WHAT to do to make DNP safer for use, why are these precautions not mentioned in your post? If they are the very definition between life and death for a DNP user, why are those details not included? Where are the electolytes? Guggulsterones? Iodine? Thyroid info? Diet additions/restrictions? Allergic reactions? Need for more fatty acids? Glycerol? Water increase and activity monitoring were hit on lightly. You say this information is dangerous if not understood in full, yet you provided it only in part.

If I were a woman, especially new to the boards, and I read that post, I would walk away thinking, "Wow, I can take DNP with very little risk (in fact, NONE of the risks I heard about), at 100mg a day to start (irrespective of my body weight, current training and diet, no education on how to prepare it, no length of time known for taking it, etc...), and expect to lose alot of fat. Sign me up!"

If your goal here is to make women think they can take this drug safely, if they take it CORRECTLY, then wouldn't it be your responsibility to tell them how?

DNP IS STILL DANGEROUS IF TAKEN INCORRECTLY AND/OR WITHOUT THE PROPER PREPARATIONS. ITS USE IS NOT AN UNDERTAKING THAT SHOULD BE ENTERED INTO WITHOUT CONSIDERABLE KNOWLEDGE AND RESEARCH- KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

 

[The Shadow]

Whew - strong feelings about this thread

um.....I must have missed where Citrus stated in his inital post that dnp is "safe".....I do not think that was his point in this thread at all.

He merely posted recent data that demonstrated that certain ideas about a drug were false.....and gave an example of a friend who followed a certain protocol with it and got good results.....that is NOT a blanket recommendation for every woman to resort to dnp as a fat loss agent.


Sorry - but that is my 2 cc's.

 

[The Shadow]

if they take it CORRECTLY, then wouldn't it be your responsibility to tell them how?

Responsibility??

Macro's?

I have seen TOO many post by Macro and Huck and others to imply that ther haven't listed all the necessary precautions ad nauseum.

....let's put a bit of responsibility where it belongs - on the person who is taking the drug. It is up to THAT individual to make his or her own decisions about substances they ingest. It is also his/her responsibility to do their own research and decide if the cost/benefit ratio is worth it.

 

[Citruscide]

I don't think anabolics are "safe"... I certainly don't think DNP is "safe"... and it will never be "safe" unless people are educated. Proper supplementation must be taken with it, large amounts of water, keeping your temperature cool (fans and not taking it during 90 degree days), the cutting back of excessive cardio activities... and eating around 50% of your diet as carbs are some of the things you have to do to maintain your "safety" while taking it.

I would go as far as to say that DNP is a miracle fat burning drug... it will help you lose that 2-3% bf relatively quickly... if you follow the rules... it's all about structure.

That being said... if you are fat... I wouldn't take DNP... if you have alot of excessive fat... cardio and diet are the way to go. Just like I would never suggest anabolics to some kid that was 135lbs because he wanted to get big. Many kids think they can just get some dbol and test and grow 100lbs... they end up with gyno or worse.

Education is the key Spatts. Education is the key to unlock the doors of ignorance. To say that DNP is lethal... is ignorant. It'd be the same as Insulin... if I take some insulin, don't eat, no sugar... and keep doing it... hey.. I'm going to die. Thereby, Insulin is highly dangerous? No. Not if you follow the "rules".

I would never suggest taking DNP... or insulin for that matter... without EXTENSIVE research into the product. I urge people who are interested to read the DNP Manuel... I"m going to write an updated one... so that people can get a FULL understanding.

Many people feel that DNP isn't "used" much anymore by people... but people are going to use it... it is the most effective fat burning drug on the market... it is more effective than clen+T3 at the same time... and less catabolic than T3 (still catabolic though).

C-ditty

 

[The Shadow]

btw - MACRO - knowledge isnt power....APPLIED knowledge is power.

 

[TEXgrl]

If I were a woman, especially new to the boards, and I read that post, I would walk away thinking, "Wow, I can take DNP with very little risk (in fact, NONE of the risks I heard about), at 100mg a day to start (irrespective of my body weight, current training and diet, no education on how to prepare it, no length of time known for taking it, etc...), and expect to lose alot of fat. Sign me up!"

If your goal here is to make women think they can take this drug safely, if they take it CORRECTLY, then wouldn't it be your responsibility to tell them how?

i was going to say exactly the same thing, but you probably put it better than i ever could have........people are so easily influenced by statements if they read it somewhere, if they see it in print, well, hell, it must be true.

what is really sad is there are some women, and even men for that matter, are willing to take a risk just to lose weight and look good, even their lives...because it is fast and easy.... people are more and more looking for a quick fix miracle cure all. what happened to putting forward some effort to reach a goal?

 

[Citruscide]

Responsibility??

....let's put a bit of responsibility where it belongs - on the person who is taking the drug. It is up to THAT individual to make his or her own decisions about substances they ingest. It is also his/her responsibility to do their own research and decide if the cost/benefit ratio is worth it.

I couldn't agree more Corn.

C-ditty

 

[Citruscide]

i was going to say exactly the same thing, but you probably put it better than i ever could have........people are so easily influenced by statements if they read it somewhere, if they see it in print, well, hell, it must be true.

what is really sad is there are some women, and even men for that matter, are willing to take a risk just to lose weight and look good, even their lives...because it is fast and easy.... people are more and more looking for a quick fix miracle cure all. what happened to putting forward some effort to reach a goal?

All of this is well and good. But it doesn't change the fact that many people are uninformed about the benefits of various drugs. They have misconceptions about the "dangers" and "safeties" of various drugs.

There are TONS of discussions on anavar, winny, and other drugs... yet, these drugs are more widely accepted, and used... probably by people who SHOULDN'T be using them...

DNP is a valuable tool... and if used correctly, can yield excellant results. Using DNP isn't an easy fix or a something that takes no effort... it is thinking like that which will bring about many ill-effects of the drug... it requires GREAT preparation, extened research, and the use of many supplements to insure safe usage and maximum results. Also, after you take it, you must maintain a good diet to KEEP the fat off... which, also takes effort.

So please, before you call something effortless... please, consider your words.

C-ditty

 

[The Shadow]

I couldn't agree more Corn.

C-ditty

The bottom line is that is someone wants to ingest something - they are gonna do it come hell or high water...all the warning snad studies in the world will not deter some folks...look at cigarettes.

A word about "easy" and dnp......nothing could not be futher from the truth....if one takes the necessary precautions they are litterally taking supplements every hour as precautionary measures to deter some of the sides....from all accounts you feel like shit 90% of the durartion....Im talking not even enough energy to do your normal workout and cardio.....what is easier is cutting cals and doing moderate cardio WITHOUT the dnp.