DNP and Women... I think I may have posted this....

[Citruscide]

I posted this over at CEM... I think it is valuable information for people who may be interested in taking DNP, but worried about possible side-effects or other problems.

One major concern women have had about taking DNP is that it could "fry" their eggs... first, the sheer temperature increase will not fry your eggs. Secondly, DNP will not effect the static eggs because it only effects metabolically active cells... (now, a pregnant woman, the egg would be active...), it effects the mitochondria of a cell... if a cell isn't producing energy, or needing it... no effect.

Secondly, there is much talk about how DNP might be a mutagen... Nandi on CEM posted that DNP was a TRUE mutagen... however, it is not.

In this test, the AMES test for Mutagen came back as only a WEAK link that it could be... there was not enough conclusive evidence to establish that. In a CA, or Chromosome Abrasion test -- which tests for the possible changes in number or structure changes... the test was equivocal -- meaning the test was inconclusive.
1) Ministry of Health, Labour & Welfare, Japan (Ed): Toxicity Testing Reports of Environ. Chemicals, Vol. 8 (2001)

To say that DNP would effect the chromosomes would be further faulted because DNP only effects the mitochondria of a cell... the chromosomes are in the nucleus of a cell...

As I've said before, I would not suggest DNP for women who plan on having children within a year... as the DNP can stay active in your cells for months -- another reason why a SECOND cycle of DNP would be more effective than the first with relation to fat loss ... as the stored DNP would work more effectively. I prefer a 8-10 day on, then 8-10 day off then repeat...

I have a woman friend who did 100-200mg (upped it) DNP for close to 10 days and had a significant fat loss... I believe around 3% ... now... maintaining of diet after the DNP is done with... really helped her cut down from 15-12%... and as you know, with women, that is a DAMN good fat percentage!

She, now, BTW... has a new born baby... with all the chromosomes in tact... and perfectly healthy.

C-ditty

 

[spatts]

Let spatts go on record as saying she wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, and wouldn't encourage anyone else to either.

Get your diet and level of self-discipline together before you jump into lawn chemicals...please.

No disrespect to you, C.

 

[Citruscide]

NONE taken. I would suggest a stricter diet and cardio implimentation before DNP as well.

But if someone is GOING to take it, they are going to take it. I'd rather they be fully informed, than have many superstitions or illusions about what it is.

For men, I wouldn't TOUCH DNP unless I were well under 20% Bodyfat... Women... well... whatever the equivilent is..

I think that cardio and diet are more suggestive... but some people want Miracle Drug... DNP is close to that drug... many people misunderstand it, and associate it as a dangerous... but truth be told, it is the MOST effective fat burning agent on the market... even MORE so than T3 + Clen.

C-ditty

 

[spatts]

Heroine (though addictive) is great for that cause too, I suppose, but I see where you're coming from.

I guess if it's worth it to you, then the risk becomes very subjective.

 

[Citruscide]

Heroin has many other effects as well... that DNP does not have, including neurochemical and molecular changes in the brain... long term effects of heroin can be: Addiction, Abscesses, Collapsed veins, Bacterial infections, Infection of heart lining and valves, Arthritis and other rheumatologic problems, and Infectious diseases, for example, HIV/AIDS and hepatitis B and C.

Shorter term effects of heroin can include -- Rush, Depressed respiration, Clouded mental functioning, Nausea and vomiting, Suppression of pain and Spontaneous abortion.

I would probably say that DNP and Heroin are not even on the same planet when it comes to drugs... in fact, you probably consume DNP in your food products, as it is used as a food coloring additive in many foods you eat.

DNP is relatively safe... if the guidelines are followed, the correct supplementation is used in conjuction with it, water consumption is followed, activity is limited... and you aren't an assclown and go to a waterpark on a 100 degree and humid day while on 600mg of DNP... cases of reactions or problems have only happened in EXTREME conditions... I have yet to see a report of someone taking DNP and just dying because of the DNP..


C-ditty

 

[pumped55]

hey citrus, did she only do one dnp cycle before her child?

 

[Citruscide]

hey citrus, did she only do one dnp cycle before her child?

I BELIEVE she did a staggered one... I think 8 days on, 8 off, then 8 on... she got pregnant about 10 or so months later.

a little short of my 1 year mark, but I always shoot on the conservative side.

C-ditty

 

[spatts]

C, I added the element of addiction to show that I was aware that the drugs are not alike. Thanks for the heroine low down, though.

My opinion stands firm.

 

[Citruscide]

C, I added the element of addiction to show that I was aware that the drugs are not alike. Thanks for the heroine low down, though.

My opinion stands firm.

I respect your opinion to not use DNP, just like I respect everyone's opinion not to use anabolics.

Hehe... I wasn't sure you were too aware... as you seemed to make an analogy that they were the same. And Spatts, I KNOW you knew they aren't the same... I think you were trying to prove a point that DNP was dangerous... but erred in picking the correct drug for your anaology. But I got your point.

C-ditty

 

[spatts]

I think you were trying to prove a point that DNP was dangerous... but erred in picking the correct drug for your anaology. But I got your point.

C-ditty

No, I was trying to say that there are many drugs that can/will result in weight/fat loss. That doesn't mean they're "safe." If DNP works better than anything else out there, to me, this is not an indication of SAFETY but of effectiveness. This was the sarcastic nature of my statement...not to compare DNP to heroine.

While we're discussing invalid chemical comparisons, dinitrophenol is not regularly found in foods, but dinonyl phthalate occassionally is...through packaging dyes and plastics (not because it was added to the foods for known human consumption). Levels can barely be detected and are nowhere close to 100-200mg a day. That's like saying it's ok to take 5g of iburprofen everday, because 200mg taken as Advil on an as-needed basis works just fine.