Dispelling the myth deca/proscar=hairloss

[thankgodformexico]

Can someone please site some kind of research on this for me because I keep reading it over and over and it's starting to annoy me.... because to the best of my knowlege, there have never been any studies involving the effects of nandralone combined with proscar. As far as I can tell this is just hearsay, or someone's personal theory that has grown to be a consensus.

If you are prone to mpb, the bodies own production of test (about 5-7mg a day) will cause your hair to fall out. For most people...proscar(propecia) only slows down the progression of MPB or at best haults it. Now if you think about the fact that proscar only reduces around 70% of the bodies test being converted to dht, leaving about a HUGE 2.1mg of dht in the body and YET hairloss still keeps going in a lot of people, then I cannot understand how taking ...say 500mg a week synthetic test which equalls about 71mg a day, even when combined with proscar which blocks 70% of the convertion to dht leaving about 20mg of free dht/per day in your system could be concieved as being easier on the hair.

I don't care if dh-nandralone IS more androgenic than nandrolone (assuming this is really the case)... who cares? Even when you use propecia with test at 500mg, you still end up having 3-4 time HIGHER levels of dht in your body than you would normally not using proscar at all.

If 5-7mg of naturally produced test/day can fuel the progression of mpb, then how the hell would a test cycle with proscar which leaves 20mg dht a day in your system be considered "safer" than using deca which even at 600mg is practically harmless on the hairline.

I hope someone can comment on this and come up with some studies or even just a good reason to prove me wrong.

 

[thankgodformexico]

BTW I used to post on this board a couple years ago and I guess my posts were reset to zero.

 

[Frackal]

I am not sure I understand your post. However as I understand it, (i could be wrong, it is late and I am writing from memory)

Nandrolone itself is very active in the scalp, luckily, the enzyme '5-alpha-reductase' converts nandrolone to 'di-hydro (?) nandrolone' which is far easier on the scalp tissue.

If you use proscar, which blocks the actions of 5-aR , you are basically increasing the amount of scalp harming substance by, well perhaps around 70 percent, which is of course not good at all... I have heard people report dramatic hairloss at higher end dosages of deca...perhaps this is because 5-alpha-reductase is not able to reduce all of the nandrolone and leaves more floating around to bind to the scalp..

JMO

 

[thankgodformexico]

Frackal,

Sorry I made a mistake...I meant to say nandralone was harder on the hair or as you say more active on the scalp (even though I don't exactly know what you mean by active) than dh-nandralone.

As far as a given hormones affinity (how well it bonds to the androgen receptors) in the scalp, and it's coorelation to the amount of hairloss it causes...they aren't really postitively related. Some hormones bind really well and don't cause hairloss at all. The only proven hormone to cause hairloss so far is dht, and I'm sure other androgens play a role too, but dht takes enough of the blame for scientists to call it THE reason sometimes (even though other factors are involved ie. inflimation, fibrosis, ect.).

About the deca at really high doses, I would guess that there is some kind of feedback mechanism involved there where the body increases production of certain hormones to compensate for all the progesterone convertion, but it's hard to say.

My main question was how do we know that nandralone is harder on the scalp than dh-nandralone (where is the proof, the studies) and if it actually IS harder, then how much harder? I just don't see how it can be even close to as bad on the hair as dht is because dht is the KEY factor and dht is so potent at such small amounts. Maybe nandralone IS harder on the hair than dh-nandralone, but I would have to say even if it is, that it's the far lesser of two evils. I think it's dht inhibition at all costs if you want to keep your hair.

Keep in mind I'm only talking about people with a predisposition to hair loss. Test isn't bad for people who don't have the mpb gene and in that case proscar would be a good idea just to ease some of the short term shedding and protect the prostate.