Diet/Training Advice for a VEG

[skinnyfat]

I'd definetely like to learn more about flax oil, too. I haven't had much luck on a thread I started earlier on it. Is flax meal just as good (it is ground flax seeds, and has a ton of fiber, which seems better)? I know that the EFAs are important for stimulating brown fat thermogenesis, but what are your real-world experiences?

Also, how good are those soy "meat" products? They seem to be very processed--worse than eating real meat. Is it better to just stick with plain tofu?

 

[Knight1]

Effective weight loss diet. Result in weeks.

From Mon thru Fri: Cut out Carb (pasta,bread etc) . Anything with carb must go. Limit daily carb to 30 gram .

CRUCIAL: Must take 1.5 g of protein per LB of weight daily. If weigh 150, take 225 g of protein daily. Protein powder drink is needed to achieve this amount. www.dpsnutrition.com carries the Optimum Nutrition brand of Whey protein powder, best quality, cheapest pure whey protein made from milk. A 10lb pack cost $50 will last a month. Your protein will give you (225*4=1100 cal).

Insufficient protein will loss muscle. DONOT want to lose muscle, ONLY the FAT .

NOW the SHOCKING TRUTH: EAT PEANUT BUTTER!!!. 2 tbsps of peanut butter has 16 of fat and 200 cal. Take 2tbsps of P. butter, 3-4 times daily. Total daily cal = 600 to 800.

Now your body is switching over to burning fat for energy. And it will burn away stored fat as well. Eat plenty of VEGGIE daily.

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[Knight1]

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Run 30 minutes daily or do a 3, 3-minutes jump-rope (9 min total). Must do Cardio, burn FAT!!!


On SAT, SUN, eat what you like! Load up carb . No peanut butter.

From Mon to FRI, you body burn FAT!!!. But you need carb (more than the daily 30 g limit) and that is what Sat and Sun for.

When you take a lot of carb, your body produce insulin which inhibits a fat burning enzyme. When you limit carb intake and up the fat intake (peanut butter, healthy fat), you body turns to burning FAT for energy.

TAKE FLAXSEED OIL: Proven to Prevent breast and ovarian cancer.

Stay on this diet 4 weeks at a time. Long term low daily carb not healthy. During the next 4 weeks off, Mon to Sun, keep the protein. Cut the p. butter and all fat, keep the flax oil. Eat about 150 to 200g of carb daily. EAt VEGGIE .

DO CARDIO !


If you weight is ideal now. Great. Else do it again.

BTW, takes daily multi-vitamin& mineral pill, 8 glasses of water for life.

 

[MS]

Hehe skinnyfat, I actually liked your comment about loving animals……I think people that are honest enough to just say "I eat meat because I like it" are above reproach. I prefer that to trying to 'justify' it as necessary.

Littlesha, I think you approach to your diet is great, and wish more people would try a 'modified' vego diet. Modified meaning you don't just stop eating stuff you love. Why not be a vego when it suits, but if you go out and are served meat, really want a hamburger/ice cream, then you have it. I have many friends that are "semi-vegetarian". Most of all you should never feel guilty about anything you eat. If you decide to eat something then enjoy it! You may, in the longer term want to adopt more free-range and humanely raised and killed meat in your diet if it really bugs ya.

Ummm protein. Everyone is different of course. I only have two eating plans. Dieting or not dieting. When I'm dieting (which is as little as possible and maybe never again) then I eat 40:40:20 P:C:F

Otherwise my protein intake is really not that high by BB standards. But as we should all know by now, carbs are very muscle sparing! I average 100-130 grams protein per day.

Sorry about the gas Debu. There are ways around that, such as beano. I have also noticed with our two teenage boys that their bodies have become better adapted to digesting legumes. It took years, but they are finally 'settling in'.

I know WarLobo said earlier that I am 1 in a billion. I don't know quite how to take that, but I come from a pretty ordinary genetic background (to look at the rest of my family….yuck). Maybe Clarence Bass and Bill Pearl are also 1 in a billion? Maybe they secretly eat McD's when no one is looking LOL. But I have had two (now ex) partners who slowly and willingly made the transition from mainstream diet to strict vego. I think slowly was the key. A meal here, a meal there, a weekend here (especially when we would go hiking or sea-kayaking and I would plan all the meals) and eventually 100% vego. My first partner was a bodybuilder when I met him (still is 18 years on) and thought I was a crackpot (naturally). He is still semi-veg and still has an awesome bod at 42 years old. Cutting out animals from his diet did not affect his mass gains in any way that he could notice, and he also noticed a lot more energy. My second 'ex' was and is an endurance athlete and he is still a strict vegan (much stricter than me) and competes at national level in men's master's road cycling. Needless to say the diet suits him very well. I really don't think I'm 1 in a billion!

I am a modern vegetarian. I think supplements like creatine and B12 are good. Our ancestors used to get plenty of these nutrients from fresh, raw meat and fish. I don't. I believe in doing what works to keep you healthy and happy, rather than blindly following some ideology.

Flaxseed oil is not necessary if you're eating a predominantly vego diet. You should get plenty of EFAs from the nuts, seeds, grains, avocados, olive oil, tahine, peanut butter and whole grains, as well as any oily fish you may eat (such as salmon). Flaxseed oil is great for people who are coming off a diet high in saturated fats and low in plant matter, but I think it is more of a 'corrective' oil than something that everyone needs to eat in large quantities. However it probably won't hurt you either. Udos choice is a more balanced blend of EFAs. I put whole flaxseeds in my morning oats because I like the texture, but I notice a lot of them come out undigested so I doubt they are a great source of EFAs. Never tried flaxmeal.

Highly processed soy products are just that. I can't say if they're good or bad for you (I love seitan which isn't soy, but it sure is processed!) but I would avoid them if I'm dieting, otherwise I eat them in moderation. Same with non-dairy ice creams. I splash out sometimes, but don't make a habit of it. Basically the same common sense and moderation that works for an omnivore applies to a vego. I prefer almond milk to soy milk for taste, and I eat a lot of lentils, chick peas, beans, nuts and grains. I don't have time to do a sample menu at the moment, but think asian foods, Thai curries, satays, stirfries, indian dals and rice dishes, mexican bean dishes, yummy italian pizzas and pasta dishes, sushi, middle eastern falafels and hummous, baba ganouge, etc………

And of course sandwiches and oats and salads and……..

It is not my desire to convince anyone to adopt a vegetarian diet. I merely want people to accept that it is a viable option, even for bodybuilders. And of course I will do all I can to help anyone that wants to reduce their meat intake. I will also help people that ask for help with non-veg diets. If bodybuilding/fat loss is the goal then you have to find what works for you.

 

[skinnyfat]

MS,

You are absolutely right--if the person you are talking about wants hamburgers and ice cream, why are they being a vegetarian in the first place?!LOL!! I always get a kick out of vegetarians who start drooling when they see a steak. Most bodybuilders have already proven that eating animal products can be healthy, if done properly, so there is really no need to be a vegetarian for health purposes.

I choose a mostly-vegetarian diet because I tend to get more fiber and vegetables that way, plus for ME, meat doesn't seem to digest as well.

So don't be a vegetarian simply just to be a vegetarian, do so because it is an eating style that agrees with your body and mind.

 

[littlesha]

More on the purpose of flaxseed oils and omega fatty acids

Got this from a vegetarian newletter that I get via email...happens to be on what we were discussing here.

<<Omega Fatty Acids

You have probably heard of the omega fatty acids. These are
omega-3, 6, and 9. The American diet tends to have plenty
of the omega 6s, which are found in soybeans, corn,
sunflower, and safflower oils. Olive oil is rich in
omega-9's "which keeps our arteries flexible by helping to
incorporate omega-3 fats into the arterial membranes," says
Louise Gittleman, author of "Eat Fat, Lose Weight." "This
allows essential nutrients to get into the cells and slows
cellular aging."

Omega-3 EFAs are found in dark green leafy vegetables,
pumpkin seeds, walnuts, hemp seeds and flaxseed and are
generally accepted as beneficial in preventing blood clots
and abnormal heart rhythms, improving immune function, and
even avoiding depression. Omega-3's may also be an
important part of maintaining proper weight, as they
trigger the release of a satiety hormone that helps control
appetite. So even when you are dieting, be sure to include
these healthy fats in your diet.

- Deborah Flowers>>>