i don't know where every one has been but you have to run it for 14 weeks minimum, 16-20 is ideal. i felt it hard at week 10, i ran for 17.5 weeks. cut short cause i had to move, but i would have kept going. it was my best cycle ever by far. but anyone who is looking to do it for 12 weeks is going to be disappointed. and if you are used to trenbolone and steroids like that expect to need 600-800mg ew. i started with 400mg for 4 weeks, wasn't feeling much recovery or anything. bumped to 600mg felt more pump and recovery. tried it at 800mg with proviron 50mg ed and loved it. recovery like Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - with no limp dick. Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - gives me a huge libido. the mass was all lean and shredded but it came after week 10. i was starting to get impatient. so don't plan on 14 only if you are rocking out hard i would have enough to keep going. goes great with trenbolone, Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , test, proviron, anavar, or Winstrol - stanozolol in my experience oh yea and Turanabol. truly a great steroid