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did Arnold overtrain back in 70s???
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Yeah, that's why he looked like shit. Too bad guys like Ulter, Lyle mcDonald and Bill Roberts weren't around to tell him how to do it right.
2evil
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jungle4321
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rediculus
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What did arnold do? Lift heavy as weights until he felt a great PUMP!!! Arnold loved the pump
what did arnold not do? Give 2 shits if he might be "over training"
Listen to your body, really....it will tell you when you start pushing too hard and when you do cruise for a week and go back to beating that shit up.
Nelson got it right lol
what did arnold not do? Give 2 shits if he might be "over training"
Listen to your body, really....it will tell you when you start pushing too hard and when you do cruise for a week and go back to beating that shit up.
Nelson got it right lol
rikishi
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Overtraining is a myth.
Overtraining only occurs when you don't get enough recovery time during the WEEK. Not during the actual lift period itself. For example, lifting the same body part every day of the week balls to the wall THAT is an extreme example of overtraining. overtraining is not allowing your muscles to fully recover during the week for a variety of reasons including: lack of sleep, lack of rest time, lack of protein, ect.
You could exhause your muscles to the point where you cannot move them and you are NOT overtraining. It only becomes overtraining when you do not give them time to recover as the week goes along.
The harder you work your muscles in the gym the longer it takes for them to recover. If you work your muscles moderately then moderate recovery time is needed. If you work your muscles HARD then a lot of recovery time is needed. If you do 2 sets and leave the gym then basically no recovery time is needed. It all depends on how depleted your muscles are.
That is the rundown on "overtraining".
Overtraining only occurs when you don't get enough recovery time during the WEEK. Not during the actual lift period itself. For example, lifting the same body part every day of the week balls to the wall THAT is an extreme example of overtraining. overtraining is not allowing your muscles to fully recover during the week for a variety of reasons including: lack of sleep, lack of rest time, lack of protein, ect.
You could exhause your muscles to the point where you cannot move them and you are NOT overtraining. It only becomes overtraining when you do not give them time to recover as the week goes along.
The harder you work your muscles in the gym the longer it takes for them to recover. If you work your muscles moderately then moderate recovery time is needed. If you work your muscles HARD then a lot of recovery time is needed. If you do 2 sets and leave the gym then basically no recovery time is needed. It all depends on how depleted your muscles are.
That is the rundown on "overtraining".
ololololololol
You say overtraining is a myth and then you go onto explain what it is.
Overtraining is a reality to anyone hitting the iron hard. There's more to overtraining than just muscle recovery too. Joints, tendons and ligaments take far more time to recover. Muscle recovery is the least of my worries when the joints start aching.
chazk
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arnold did all kinds of crazy stuff.
He lived right next to the gym , he would often times at night when he was bored go work calves for 2 hour
or just go do back rows all night untill he could do no more.
He called it instictive training looking at what you need to work and just working it.
many guys do what others would consider over training , but for them it works really well .
You have to find out your bodys limits and push it as far as you can go.
if you do over train then just rest untill you feel good again.
Most guys are so afraid of training they never push themselves to the limit in fear they will go to far.
Going to far is what leads to muscle growth
He lived right next to the gym , he would often times at night when he was bored go work calves for 2 hour
or just go do back rows all night untill he could do no more.
He called it instictive training looking at what you need to work and just working it.
many guys do what others would consider over training , but for them it works really well .
You have to find out your bodys limits and push it as far as you can go.
if you do over train then just rest untill you feel good again.
Most guys are so afraid of training they never push themselves to the limit in fear they will go to far.
Going to far is what leads to muscle growth
"The greatest feeling you can get in a gym or the most satisfying feeling you can get in the gym is the pump. Let's say you train your
biceps, blood is rushing in to your muscles and that's what we call the pump. Your muscles get a really tight feeling like your skin is going
to explode any minute and its really tight and its like someone is blowing air into your muscle and it just blows up and it feels different,
it feels fantastic. It's as satisfying to me as cumming is, you know, as in having sex with a woman and cumming. So can you believe how much
I am in heaven? I am like getting the feeling of cumming in the gym; I'm getting the feeling of cumming at home; I'm getting the feeling of
cumming backstage; when I pump up, when I pose out in front of 5000 people I get the same feeling, so I am cumming day and night. It's
terrific, right? So you know, I am in heaven.."
biceps, blood is rushing in to your muscles and that's what we call the pump. Your muscles get a really tight feeling like your skin is going
to explode any minute and its really tight and its like someone is blowing air into your muscle and it just blows up and it feels different,
it feels fantastic. It's as satisfying to me as cumming is, you know, as in having sex with a woman and cumming. So can you believe how much
I am in heaven? I am like getting the feeling of cumming in the gym; I'm getting the feeling of cumming at home; I'm getting the feeling of
cumming backstage; when I pump up, when I pose out in front of 5000 people I get the same feeling, so I am cumming day and night. It's
terrific, right? So you know, I am in heaven.."
rediculus
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I agree to a point. But too many people sit here and want to tout the "OH it won't work for me" banner. heavy fuckin weights adds heavy fuckin muscle. Arnold worked out 4 or 5 hours a day? Something like that. Your CNS can also increase in efficiency and very few people are in danger of over training. At least at all the gyms I have been at comparing those workouts to basic or advanced infantry training schools.
hahahaha
I'd say that most young people overtrain, especially in the first few years. It's easy to overtrain the body. It's hard to get a lot of young people out of the gym long enough to recover.
rediculus
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take 2 weeks of basic training.
your body will adapt faster than you ever thought and you will learn a whole new level of what your limits are. Spend a few years in the infantry and you will discover entirely new limits to pain tolerance and endurance, survivability of conditions you previously didn't even realize existed. (135 degree's is a mother f#@#$ when your on a movement to contact)
your body will adapt faster than you ever thought and you will learn a whole new level of what your limits are. Spend a few years in the infantry and you will discover entirely new limits to pain tolerance and endurance, survivability of conditions you previously didn't even realize existed. (135 degree's is a mother f#@#$ when your on a movement to contact)
reeves zane
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Yeah we know that sherlock.the point being arnold trained two times a day and each body part twice a week.that's the trading the ts wants to know if it constituted overtraining
Big_pimpin
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Back in the day I had Arnold's Encyclopedia of Modern bodybuilding. Its a pretty cool book with lots of famous bodybuilding photots. Anyhow, If I remember correctly Arnold was all about LOTS of sets. His beginner workouts had about 15 sets per bodypart ie 3 exercies for 5 sets for each part of the body. His advanced workouts had about 25-30 sets per body part, ie 5-7 sets of 5 different exercises for each body part. Its been about 20 years since I've looked through it, so the details are really hazy.
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MattJS
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If he overtrained it wouldn't have worked, and it definitely worked... I know a guy who can squat over 400lbs for 5x5 naturally, he's squatting four times a week, granted there's a light and a medium session in there, but thats still one more heavy squat session each week than most roiders are doing, I've also heard of olympic lifters squatting heavy daily... So if the human body can adapt to that naturally, what should a performance enhanced athlete be able to do? Should we REALLY worry about overtraining? I know I don't...
Big_pimpin
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It all depends on your level of fitness. If you are used to super high volume then 30 sets won't cause overtraining. When I was younger I could work out for 90 minutes to 2 hours at a really high intensity. Now I am fried after 30 minutes since I am so out of shape. Doing more then 5-10 sets for me right now per bodypart would cause overtraining, but that would hardly warm me up back in the good old days, LOL.
this right here is spot on
runners who train for 5K's run 4-5X per week. you won't get anywhere training 2-3X per week if you want to improve your time. however they don't go out there and do 10 sets of 400M intervals on the track everytime. they will do a LSD run, a tempo run, etc. maybe do intervals once or twice every 2 weeks.
weight training is the same thing. if you go in there and throw around as heavy a weights like a gorilla for an hour a day you are just gonna overtrain. its about having a strategy and laying off the gas pedal.. de-loading. going 60% some days and 80% others. if you go in there and do 1 rep of a compound lift.. rest for 8 minutes and do another and call it a day you aren't gonna get very far
Creepusmaximus
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Tricky question because the body can adapt to most physical activities but that's not what you want for body building. I change up my work outs almost every week, I have a big group of exercises to pick from. Let say back day I might go heavy with barbell rows, next week my big lift may be deads for back, I'll hit the whole back I just change up what the focus exercise is week to week. I'll go in and go wild with a pull up bar some times and just do different grips until I can pull myself up any more then I'll use an assist to get some more till I can't do much of anything. The other side of that coin is doing exactly the same thing all the time, think construction something like that. You might lift heavy objects every day after day and your body just adapts to it, you don't grow and you can do it every day if you really want to.
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