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sondeVrie

sondeVrie

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Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
 
Any suggestion for that gyno flared up? I know it's only puffines for now. And gland is not so hard. But thinking to maybe make a 7 days break, give a time to stabilize hormons and estro. And then get back with slower adding of Dbol, I mean start with 5mg, go 2.5mg weekly. And build up till 15mg MAX. I want to cycle for 10-14 weeks if Liver markers ll be fine.
 
sondeVrie said:
Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
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sondeVrie said:
Any suggestion for that gyno flared up? I know it's only puffines for now. And gland is not so hard. But thinking to maybe make a 7 days break, give a time to stabilize hormons and estro. And then get back with slower adding of Dbol, I mean start with 5mg, go 2.5mg weekly. And build up till 15mg MAX. I want to cycle for 10-14 weeks if Liver markers ll be fine.
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@sondeVrie welcome to EF, our EF family welcomes you

to start off can you share a picture of yourself face blurred so we see your base
also can you please share a pic of the gyno

and do you have pics of your gear?
 
sondeVrie said:
Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
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which Ai you taking? pics please

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

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thank you and share more :)
 
sondeVrie said:
Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
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@sondeVrie
I have a suggestion for you

if you are prone to gyno then why dbol? run tbol or anavar instead
 
sondeVrie said:
Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
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@sondeVrie bro yo don't need AI with 10mg only dbol. jack up the dose to 50mgs run it like a man
 
sondeVrie said:
Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
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@sondeVrie Bros. Looking really good on this stack. but in pct. lower clomid. lots of stories of people not doing good on clomid high dose. do much lower dose and add hcgenerate (can buy on ebay or n2bm)
 
ceo said:
@sondeVrie Bros. Looking really good on this stack. but in pct. lower clomid. lots of stories of people not doing good on clomid high dose. do much lower dose and add hcgenerate (can buy on ebay or n2bm)
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Thanks bro. I think 10mg - 15mg is reasonable and ll be sufficient at first cycle.
After 1st week today I've noticed + 1.5kg and feel like a beast? More fuller def.
Strenght also a little higher, 20kg bar feels lighter than even?

One thing which is making me stressing out are my glands under nipples, seems more puffier. But no hurt, no ichty, no more sensible. I'm assuming that it's a water holded. Adding today 50mg Exemestane. At Tuesday will go for blood work and check E2/Test/Prolactine/Liver Enzymes.

There is bloodwork before starting a cycle:
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Actual physique:
81kg, bf 18% - measurment from Huawei Scale.

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1745758439855.webp

As you can se the left nipple is more fuller under.

Thinking to taking Exemestane ED in 25mg for 5days then go for EOD. Seems like 12.5mg is not enough.
Or any other suggestions?
 
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sondeVrie said:
Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
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@sondeVrie i would nix the dbol entirely. no need for it if you have gyno concerns.
also, I would talk to a doctor about getting the gyno removed permanently
 
ROIDDERS said:
@sondeVrie i would nix the dbol entirely. no need for it if you have gyno concerns.
also, I would talk to a doctor about getting the gyno removed permanently
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I was thinking to remove it in the next year. Already has collected the money for surgery.
What will be better then instead of D-bol in my case? Doesn't have an access to good T-bol.
 
ROIDDERS said:
@sondeVrie anavar would be a good one
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In what dose, for how long?

It will be ok to just switch from D-bol now to Anavar? Without any breaks? Or better will be to make blood work and depends on the results then decide if making some PCT/break and then start with Anavar?

What about hairloss on the Var?
 
sondeVrie said:
Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
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@sondeVrie If you do decide to go through with this, make sure you're logging it very specifically. We want to make sure that we correct anything that goes off base.
 
Ulter said:
@sondeVrie hard to tell you to run any cycle while you have gyno
post up a picture. sometimes people can help gyno with anti gyno stack and not surgery
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What kind of stack you mean?
It's hard to take a photo of it. It's not visible at all. I just can feel it under my finger whene squeezing a nipple. Also didn't feel pain once squeezing it. Maybe it's just a fat tissue loaded with water.
 
Took today 50mg Exemestane and 20mg Nolva. Will se how tomorrow water hold will look ;)
Anyway today super mood. Slept today like a papa bear for 10 hrs - awesome.

Diet on point.
3300 kcal~
210g Protein/400g Carbs/90g Fats
No shit, only simple products.

B-Fast:
Oats + Milk + Skyr + Strawberries + Walnuts

Lunch:
Wholegrain Baguette + Cotto Ham + Low-Fat Cheese + Lettuce and Tomatoes

Dinner:
Rostbef Steak + Durum Grains + Pickles

Supper:
Chicken Thights + Bulgur + Avocado

Workout: Off day

Thinking to change it for:

Mon: 10mg D-bol + 50mg Aromasin
Tue: 10mg D-bol + 50mg Clomid
Wed: 10mg D-bol + 50mg Aromasin
Thur: 10mg D-bol + 50mg Clomid
Fri: 10mg D-bol + 50mg Aromasin
Sat: 10mg D-bol + 50mg Clomid
Sun: 10mg D-Bol

Aromasin to prevent Gyno and Water Hold
Clomid for better estro usage and preventing potential shut down (at least will be slower).

Trying to figure out on which doses my mind would work best - this is most important to me.
I know it's all experimental thing. As we know everybody react in other ways.
 
sondeVrie said:
Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
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@sondeVrie it will be awesome to follow your journey on your first cycle!
 
sondeVrie said:
Thanks bro. I think 10mg - 15mg is reasonable and ll be sufficient at first cycle.
After 1st week today I've noticed + 1.5kg and feel like a beast? More fuller def.
Strenght also a little higher, 20kg bar feels lighter than even?

One thing which is making me stressing out are my glands under nipples, seems more puffier. But no hurt, no ichty, no more sensible. I'm assuming that it's a water holded. Adding today 50mg Exemestane. At Tuesday will go for blood work and check E2/Test/Prolactine/Liver Enzymes.

There is bloodwork before starting a cycle:
View attachment 152895


Actual physique:
81kg, bf 18% - measurment from Huawei Scale.

View attachment 152890View attachment 152891
As you can se the left nipple is more fuller under.

Thinking to taking Exemestane ED in 25mg for 5days then go for EOD. Seems like 12.5mg is not enough.
Or any other suggestions?
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@sondeVrie bros you looking lean. now we just have to put on 5-10 pounds of muscle and you will look sick. good job!
 
sondeVrie said:
In what dose, for how long?

It will be ok to just switch from D-bol now to Anavar? Without any breaks? Or better will be to make blood work and depends on the results then decide if making some PCT/break and then start with Anavar?

What about hairloss on the Var?
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@sondeVrie sure why not. orals are in and out of the system fast. you aren't gonna have an issue
 
sondeVrie said:
What kind of stack you mean?
It's hard to take a photo of it. It's not visible at all. I just can feel it under my finger whene squeezing a nipple. Also didn't feel pain once squeezing it. Maybe it's just a fat tissue loaded with water.
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@sondeVrie anti gyno stack? that would be a heavy dose of letro and nolvadex. but you need to also monitor bloods and it won't be fun to crash estrogen. but that might work vs. surgery
 
sondeVrie said:
Welcome Everyone,

So I have decided to run my first cycle ever. Have decided to run without test.

I've ran across all videos posted by Taeian Clark and had own reaseraches also spoke with some recent ppls. For me it's a good start to tap toe in. If something will be wrong for me will just exit.

Stats at begin:
Age: 30
Years of Lifting: 4+
Weight: Solid 79-80kg with 12-15% BF (abs visible)
Height: 185cm

Diet:
On the point.
Clean and microdense.
200g P/ 440g C/ 70g F - 3190 kcal (250-300kcal surplus)

If it's coming about products: mostly Sirloin, Fishs, Turkey, Skyrs, Eggs, own Smoked Hams, Wholegrains, Oats, a lot of Veggies, Fruits, Olive Oil, Nuts (w/o Peanuts), Honey and Coconut Water. Only natural one ingradient products.

I'm tracking it very closly in MFP since a nice few years. Went down from 125kg to 68kg and then builded up actual physique it byself.

Structured and periodized Upper/Lower with linear progression.

Cycle will be low dosage of D-bol:

1 week - 25mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD (Done - Aromatisation went too much, too high 25mg for me. Puberty Gyno flared up - downranged to 10mg. and added Nolva 20mg/ED - since 4 days, also Exemestan 25mg ED till tomorrow) - gained 1.25kg and a lot of strenght in arms.
2 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD - starting at Monday 28.04
3 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
4 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
5 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
6 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
7 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
8 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
9 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
10 week - 10mg D-bol ED + 12.5mg AI EOD
11 week - 100mg Clomid ED
12 week - 50mg Clomid ED
13 week - 50mg Clomid ED
14 week - 25mg Clomid ED

Additional:
1. Taurine 6g ED
2. Tudca 500mg ED
3. Omega3 - 4g ED (2000mg EPA)

Yes, I will run AI all the time as I had a puberty gino since primary school.
It's not visible at all but it's there feeling under fingers. Also to avoid much water hold and possible shut down.

Liver in very great condition, no alco, no drugs.
Health Overall also in very great condition, test ar. 700, just estro in higher end limit. ASL/ALT - lower ranges.

Blood Control: after 4 weeks
Blood Control: after 8 weeks

Will be posting updates weekly here just to track and show you how it's going. After first two weeks will add start photos and after 2 weeks.

You can share your experience :)
If any suggestion what is worth also pleaso do!

Cheers!
Click to expand...
Yes don't waste time with lesser anti estrogen go right to letrozole. Use it for a week it'll knock you estrogen to zero then when you start feel some estrogen sensitivity again just use the retro once per week as a way to keep everything in check.
 
stevesmi said:
@sondeVrie
I have a suggestion for you

if you are prone to gyno then why dbol? run tbol or anavar instead
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Even with AI use i agree if prone with gyno id avoid wet compounds as much as possible.
 
SSFITNESS said:
Yes don't waste time with lesser anti estrogen go right to letrozole. Use it for a week it'll knock you estrogen to zero then when you start feel some estrogen sensitivity again just use the retro once per week as a way to keep everything in check.
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What about Extemestane? It’s suicidal drug for estrogen aswell.
What doses should be used of Letro?

At Friday will do a blood works to check estrogen levels.
 
Letro is safe as long as you only use it for 5 to 7 days max. Seems as if you have a lot of estrogen receptors one way to handle that is to diet hard. You get down to 7 percent bf and the estrogen won't be nearly the problem it is. I've used letro with all my npc and pro guys starting one week out from the show. I'd have to check my journals to see the doses but basically letro is one of the main reasons you see guys come in so dry and hard. With your estrogen at zero your not holding any extra water. You just don't want to be on it to long estrogen is necessary for our bodies to function properly. Your other option is to just DHT derivative drugs they don't arromotise
 
SSFITNESS said:
Letro is safe as long as you only use it for 5 to 7 days max. Seems as if you have a lot of estrogen receptors one way to handle that is to diet hard. You get down to 7 percent bf and the estrogen won't be nearly the problem it is. I've used letro with all my npc and pro guys starting one week out from the show. I'd have to check my journals to see the doses but basically letro is one of the main reasons you see guys come in so dry and hard. With your estrogen at zero your not holding any extra water. You just don't want to be on it to long estrogen is necessary for our bodies to function properly. Your other option is to just DHT derivative drugs they don't arromotise
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no its not
letrozole is NOT safe at all bro
thats nonsense
letrozole shouldn't even be used in bodbyuilding, the high e2 rebound will be nasty
we have a ton of bloods on EF showing this @SSFITNESS
 
the_alcatraz said:
no its not
letrozole is NOT safe at all bro
thats nonsense
letrozole shouldn't even be used in bodbyuilding, the high e2 rebound will be nasty
we have a ton of bloods on EF showing this @SSFITNESS
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Well I've used it on at least 50 clients no issues. Your body doesn't supercompenstate with estrogen after letro use what do you think they give guts with gyno? The only drugs the give you estrogen rebound are aromatase inhibitors because their simply blocked the receptors so the estrogen can't attach. When you take the aromatase inhibitors out the receptors open up and all that estrogen finds a home quickly.
 
the_alcatraz said:
no its not
letrozole is NOT safe at all bro
thats nonsense
letrozole shouldn't even be used in bodbyuilding, the high e2 rebound will be nasty
we have a ton of bloods on EF showing this @SSFITNESS
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Letrozole Functions & Traits:​

Letrozole is an AI, which holds the purpose of blocking the aromatase enzyme, which is in turn responsible for the production of estrogen. By inhibiting estrogen production, this lowers total serum estrogen levels in the body. This will be useful to the breast cancer patient on the basis of such cancer often feeding off the estrogen hormone. It will be beneficial to the anabolic steroid user as excess estrogen often leads to some of the most commonly associated side effects of anabolic steroid use.

Letrozole also carries the ability to increase natural testosterone production through an increase in Luteinizing Hormone (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). There have been physicians who have chosen Letro as it’s often known to treat low testosterone conditions, but this is normally not the preferred method of treatment. Without question, when it comes to low testosterone treatment exogenous testosterone is generally the only thing that makes sense. However, Letrozole can be useful in such a plan in conjunction with exogenous testosterone in order to combat possible side effects. We will look into this in the effects section.
 
SSFITNESS said:

Letrozole Functions & Traits:​

Letrozole is an AI, which holds the purpose of blocking the aromatase enzyme, which is in turn responsible for the production of estrogen. By inhibiting estrogen production, this lowers total serum estrogen levels in the body. This will be useful to the breast cancer patient on the basis of such cancer often feeding off the estrogen hormone. It will be beneficial to the anabolic steroid user as excess estrogen often leads to some of the most commonly associated side effects of anabolic steroid use.

Letrozole also carries the ability to increase natural testosterone production through an increase in Luteinizing Hormone (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). There have been physicians who have chosen Letro as it’s often known to treat low testosterone conditions, but this is normally not the preferred method of treatment. Without question, when it comes to low testosterone treatment exogenous testosterone is generally the only thing that makes sense. However, Letrozole can be useful in such a plan in conjunction with exogenous testosterone in order to combat possible side effects. We will look into this in the effects section.
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thats for the ai post bro lol
how about you write something not just copy paste from ai?
im talking about real use for actual bodybuilders @SSFITNESS
real use shows destruction in lipids and crashing of e2 with a nasty rebound, ton of blood work to show it
 
Has applied yesterday 75mg of Extemesane.

Looks like 3/4 of water and puffines went away. Nipps are much smaller and tighter.
Slept very well. Morning wood insanse like never before. Clear mind since morning also.

I know that since kid I’m very estrogenic. Even before cycle I was in higher range.
So maybe the case was to hit it down and now hold it in the bottom.

Today I would use only 25mg Extemestane and just 5mg of D-bol sublingual (before workout).

If weight will stay at 81.9kg as today on tomorrow’s check then will.

Maybe will run D-bol for 3 weeks and switch to Var. 15-20mg should be fine for me for longer run 10-12 weeks.

As I’ve stated before if Liver parameters and Cholesterol levels ll be ok I would like to run for longer period to maximaze slow and steady growth.
 
sondeVrie said:
Has applied yesterday 75mg of Extemesane.

Looks like 3/4 of water and puffines went away. Nipps are much smaller and tighter.
Slept very well. Morning wood insanse like never before. Clear mind since morning also.

I know that since kid I’m very estrogenic. Even before cycle I was in higher range.
So maybe the case was to hit it down and now hold it in the bottom.

Today I would use only 25mg Extemestane and just 5mg of D-bol sublingual (before workout).

If weight will stay at 81.9kg as today on tomorrow’s check then will.

Maybe will run D-bol for 3 weeks and switch to Var. 15-20mg should be fine for me for longer run 10-12 weeks.

As I’ve stated before if Liver parameters and Cholesterol levels ll be ok I would like to run for longer period to maximaze slow and steady growth.
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wait a sec bro
75mgs of extremestane aromasin? you sure 75mgs thats a crazy dose bro @sondeVrie
dont go over 25mgs, 75 will crash e2 and cause a rebound
 
sondeVrie said:
Today’s workout went awesome.
All sets kg added and reps linear.
Cardio LISS 20 min

Feel much better while taking 50mg Extemesane daily.

Some pic of post-workout meal:

Skyr, berries, banana, apple, honey sugar free cereal, prot bar.

Roughly 125g Carbs, 15g Fat, 45g Protein
View attachment 153015
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@sondeVrie bro consider replacing these protein bars with real food....always check ingredients before buying as wrapper and list on the back says different stories.....real foods are always #1 choice........
 
sondeVrie said:
Today’s workout went awesome.
All sets kg added and reps linear.
Cardio LISS 20 min

Feel much better while taking 50mg Extemesane daily.

Some pic of post-workout meal:

Skyr, berries, banana, apple, honey sugar free cereal, prot bar.

Roughly 125g Carbs, 15g Fat, 45g Protein
View attachment 153015
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@sondeVrie these are very high carb meals, I would add an extra scoop of protein and mix that into the cereal bro gives you that kick
 
the_alcatraz said:
actually YEA bro aromasin high dose can cause a huge rebound
you seriously arguing this? @sondeVrie its your first cycle and you saying you know all? come on bro
not cool to act like this when the EF family trying to help you
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Sorry bro, didn't want to be selfish! I just made a research and seen that Aromasin didn't cause such rebound as it's suicidal for E2.
 
lisa k said:
Good on you for logging this, especially as a first-timer. A Dbol-only cycle can give you some fast size and strength gains, but as you've probably heard already, it's also one of the easiest ways to bloat, crash, and lose everything post-cycle if you're not careful with support and recovery.


Make sure you’ve got:


  • Liver support (Dbol is harsh on the liver)
  • Estrogen control (Dbol aromatizes heavily)
  • And a proper PCT plan—don’t skip it, even if it’s “just oral”

If you’re missing any of that, I highly recommend checking out ugloz.bio. They’ve got on-cycle support, PCT kits, and even SARMs options if you ever want a less toxic alternative next time around.


Keep tracking your results—and take recovery as seriously as your gains. That’s what separates real progress from temporary puff.
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Have all on the hand.
AI and PCT also.
 
Ulter said:
@sondeVrie the gyno can come back yes, but it can also come back from surgery too. that is why you have to keep diligent
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I meant a E2 not a gyno rebound. Bro my gyno wouldn’t disappear I have it since almost 15 years. I always had some lump mass under nipples. I was obese at young age. So the goal is to just not grow it more. Right now looks like it’s just puffed. Starting to wondering if it’s not maybe caused by E2 but by prolactine and progesterone. Cuz Exmestane has helped just a little bit. Still puffed but not itchy.

Bloodwork’s will tell us everything :)
 
sondeVrie said:
I meant a E2 not a gyno rebound. Bro my gyno wouldn’t disappear I have it since almost 15 years. I always had some lump mass under nipples. I was obese at young age. So the goal is to just not grow it more. Right now looks like it’s just puffed. Starting to wondering if it’s not maybe caused by E2 but by prolactine and progesterone. Cuz Exmestane has helped just a little bit. Still puffed but not itchy.

Bloodwork’s will tell us everything :)
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@sondeVrie yes bloods will be more clear bro

how about sharing diet training? we been waiting for you to update the log
 
the_alcatraz said:
@sondeVrie yes bloods will be more clear bro

how about sharing diet training? we been waiting for you to update the log
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Diet yesterday:

1. B-fast
6 slices whole grain bread
3 slices of Cotto Prosciutto
1 slice of Cheese
200g of Cottage Cheese
150g Cherry Tomatoes
+ 4g Omega3
+ 500mg TUDCA

2. Lunch
100g Bulgur Wheat
200g Chicken Tights
200g Carrot
100g Fermented Pickle
200g Apple
10g Olive Oil

3. Dinner
300g Skyr
200g Apple
100g Berries
50g Bio Granola

4. Supper
125g Wholewheat Pasta
150g Mutti Polp
150g Tuna Steak
15g Olive Oil

Workout:

1. Chin Up
6/6/6/6
2. Military Press
40x6/40x6/40x6/40x6
3. Seal Row Dumbbell Chest Supported
22x10/22x10/22x10
4. Cable Shoulder Fly
10x11/10x11/10x11
5. Dumbbell Triceps Push behind Head
22x10/22x10/22x10 + 16x10
 
Bloodwork done.
Awaiting for results.

Anyway has lowered Dbol to 7.5mg ED and all symptoms went away. Even better mood has launched. Maybe I’m very sensitive to Dbol?

Today ordering Var I think it will be better with high carb diet it’s true? Also better for developing push movements much more.

Var alone or Var + Enclo? Also how with transitioning to it from D-bol?
 
sondeVrie said:
I meant a E2 not a gyno rebound. Bro my gyno wouldn’t disappear I have it since almost 15 years. I always had some lump mass under nipples. I was obese at young age. So the goal is to just not grow it more. Right now looks like it’s just puffed. Starting to wondering if it’s not maybe caused by E2 but by prolactine and progesterone. Cuz Exmestane has helped just a little bit. Still puffed but not itchy.

Bloodwork’s will tell us everything :)
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@sondeVrie I understand what you are saying. but there have been many have success without surgery even if the gyno was there before.

if its actual gyno and not body fat. i would talk to a few doctors and get a good strategy but surgery should be last resort always
 
Ok have workblood results:
1746189020594.webp

Now am confused. Everything like before. Estro went down nicely due to high load aromasin. So...looks like the puffines it's just a filled water to my old glands nothing specific due to D-bol. Prolactin low. Estro low.

And wtf...FSH went up? It's a results BEFORE:
1746189276811.webp

AST and ALT slightly up, but bros..nothing scary, like after alco day or workout. It's not even 10% up.
1746189143164.webp
 
sondeVrie said:
Ok have workblood results:
View attachment 153094
Now am confused. Everything like before. Estro went down nicely due to high load aromasin. So...looks like the puffines it's just a filled water to my old glands nothing specific due to D-bol. Prolactin low. Estro low.

And wtf...FSH went up? It's a results BEFORE:
View attachment 153096
AST and ALT slightly up, but bros..nothing scary, like after alco day or workout. It's not even 10% up.
View attachment 153095
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you should add testosteorne to this stack bro imo

and ALT AST up is scary bro you can get serious liver damage from this @sondeVrie
you should start organ liver support supplement like n2guard

on the fsh means nothing at all
 
the_alcatraz said:
you should add testosteorne to this stack bro imo

and ALT AST up is scary bro you can get serious liver damage from this @sondeVrie
you should start organ liver support supplement like n2guard

on the fsh means nothing at all
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Using TUDCA.
It’s not scary. Scary would be twice a norm at least.

I don’t want to pin yet.
 
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