Deca cycle

[figurechamp]

Just a thought on the whole voice thing that is said to be a side effect...wondering everyone's thoughts.

When I did a cycle of prop and var, I had some voice problems. Sore throat, smoker-sounding voice. But I didn't attribute it to the drugs at the time b/c I'm a teacher, so I'm using my voice a lot. So I attributed it to speaking so much. It was probably a combination. Anyway, I saw a throat/voice specialist and they did see some mild edema on my vocal chords, but nothing outrageous.

I spent some time in voice therapy (I felt totally weird doing it-- I mean, who goes to voice therapy, right???!!!) and I was skeptical that it could work. I didn't think my voice could go back to "normal".

To my pleasant surprise, it did. I was taught how to speak "above" the "glottal fry" way of speaking. Google it. It's pretty interesting.

At the end of my therapy, I listened to a recording of myself at the onset of therapy in order to compare how I sounded after 15 weeks of therapy. At the beginning, I sounded like a man. I was surprised how deep my voice was. Now, my pitch level is more normalized. I still have to consciously think about how to use my voice properly, but I think it's an interesting topic b/c there is so much discussion on here and in other places that once your voice goes, it can't be restored. I think I disagree.

Rotten-- what are your thoughts on this? And for others, I guess I'm trying to say: don't worry about voice b/c with the right "training" you can learn to use your "new" vocal chords and still sound normal.

 

[dmk777]

Yeah week seven now Sulma.

 

[dmk777]

Just a thought on the whole voice thing that is said to be a side effect...wondering everyone's thoughts.

When I did a cycle of prop and var, I had some voice problems. Sore throat, smoker-sounding voice. But I didn't attribute it to the drugs at the time b/c I'm a teacher, so I'm using my voice a lot. So I attributed it to speaking so much. It was probably a combination. Anyway, I saw a throat/voice specialist and they did see some mild edema on my vocal chords, but nothing outrageous.

I spent some time in voice therapy (I felt totally weird doing it-- I mean, who goes to voice therapy, right???!!!) and I was skeptical that it could work. I didn't think my voice could go back to "normal".

To my pleasant surprise, it did. I was taught how to speak "above" the "glottal fry" way of speaking. Google it. It's pretty interesting.

At the end of my therapy, I listened to a recording of myself at the onset of therapy in order to compare how I sounded after 15 weeks of therapy. At the beginning, I sounded like a man. I was surprised how deep my voice was. Now, my pitch level is more normalized. I still have to consciously think about how to use my voice properly, but I think it's an interesting topic b/c there is so much discussion on here and in other places that once your voice goes, it can't be restored. I think I disagree.

Rotten-- what are your thoughts on this? And for others, I guess I'm trying to say: don't worry about voice b/c with the right "training" you can learn to use your "new" vocal chords and still sound normal.

Hey Fc. That's really interesting stuff I just googled it at-least I know it's not too serious however as I said earlier my docs put it down to a virus. It seemed to get a little better but now has worsened I can see in the back of my mouth is red my chest is really saw and my voice is going deeper.
I'm back at the docs today I'm in two minds wether to mention my cycle or not .
I will keep you posted on the out come thank you for taking the time to share this .

Donna

 

[figurechamp]

Only thing is, if u mention the cycle, then they will likely rule out any other thing and blame it on that. But if the back of your throat is red, it sounds more like a virus thing like you'd said. To check on ur vocal chords, you'd have to get a scope put down your throat to examine them. I have a huge gag reflex so that wasn't much fun.

Oh one other thing.... Staying very well hydrated can also help with your voice. If it's already irritated, being dry will only make it worse. And stay away from methol type lozenges. They apparently irritate the voice more than help it.

Good luck at docs!

 

[dmk777]

Only thing is, if u mention the cycle, then they will likely rule out any other thing and blame it on that. But if the back of your throat is red, it sounds more like a virus thing like you'd said. To check on ur vocal chords, you'd have to get a scope put down your throat to examine them. I have a huge gag reflex so that wasn't much fun.

Oh one other thing.... Staying very well hydrated can also help with your voice. If it's already irritated, being dry will only make it worse. And stay away from methol type lozenges. They apparently irritate the voice more than help it.

Good luck at docs!

Yeah your right they will be quite to point the finger at the dangers of steroid use too and tbh I've done my homework and all the lectures of my parents so couldn't go through it lol.
Tbh I feel I could some infection as I'm running a fever now.

Either way if it is just an illness it should tell if I get medication for it and then that will rule out the steroids causing probs.
Thanks for the tip bout the lozenges as I have been going through my fair share.

I will post the outcome after my dreaded docs app.


Kind regards

Donna

 

[caligirl85]

Definitely interesting stuff. My understanding of the "voice" issue is that with heavy use or prolonged use (all user dependant too) that the drugs can thicken the vocal chords, which would be something that can't be reversed. I haven't pushed it enough to find out. I've had some throat issues towards the end of a cycle, in terms of the sore throat and the deeper sounding voice but it has cleared up once I went off cycle. Thanks for sharing about the therapy though!! It's really interesting to me.

Hope you are feeling better Donna!

 

[dmk777]

Thank you Cg. Well I came out of the docs with a five day corse of steroids seems like a virus has irritated my asthma. Hopefully like on the past when I've had steroids for my chest I will pull round in a couple days if not after 5 I have to return.
Unfortunate for my partner I will be like a bear with a sore head no gym or work plenty of sympathy and hot drinks lol.

Yeah it is really a interesting read too.

Cheers ladies.

Donna

 

[RottenWillow]

Rotten-- what are your thoughts on this? And for others, I guess I'm trying to say: don't worry about voice b/c with the right "training" you can learn to use your "new" vocal chords and still sound normal.

Whenever a woman develops any sort of vocal problems during a cycle of androgens it's almost always a result of vocal cord thickening from the gear. The changes can definitely manifest as slight, chronic pain because it's happening so quickly.


Having said that though, it could also be in part an opportunistic infection breaking through due to immune response suppression from the gear. I just don't know enough about deca to say for sure. Generally the more androgenic a drug is the more it suppresses immune response and allows infection already present in the body to develop into illness. On one end of the spectrum is oxandrolone and stanozolol have been shown to actually encourage immune response in men (when used as stand alones) because of how purely anabolic they are. Way on the other end is stuff like Czech drops and to a lesser extent Tren that are so massively androgenic they suppress the hell out of the immune response and men often suffer some symptoms of illness while using them.

Donna, one cheap way to take one measure of immunity is to get a comprehensive blood count (CBC) panel done. If your white blood cell count is low that might give you some answers. Can you get labs done in the UK w/o a physician visit? In the U.S you can use sites like prepaidlab and anylabtest to order them at very low cost and without having to deal with a doc.

 

[dmk777]

Whenever a woman develops any sort of vocal problems during a cycle of androgens it's almost always a result of vocal cord thickening from the gear. The changes can definitely manifest as slight, chronic pain because it's happening so quickly.


Having said that though, it could also be in part an opportunistic infection breaking through due to immune response suppression from the gear. I just don't know enough about deca to say for sure. Generally the more androgenic a drug is the more it suppresses immune response and allows infection already present in the body to develop into illness. On one end of the spectrum is oxandrolone and stanozolol have been shown to actually encourage immune response in men (when used as stand alones) because of how purely anabolic they are. Way on the other end is stuff like Czech drops and to a lesser extent Tren that are so massively androgenic they suppress the hell out of the immune response and men often suffer some symptoms of illness while using them.

Donna, one cheap way to take one measure of immunity is to get a comprehensive blood count (CBC) panel done. If your white blood cell count is low that might give you some answers. Can you get labs done in the UK w/o a physician visit? In the U.S you can use sites like prepaidlab and anylabtest to order them at very low cost and without having to deal with a doc.

Hey Sulma. Thanks for your advice.
I was at first almost certain it was caused by the corse but as it's went from just a slight horseness to been really sore also I'm really breathless now it makes me think it's asthmatic the asthma seems to have bad spells and when it's bad it's really bad and also at the docs she also took swabs to send to look for infection and took my oxygen levels which were slightly low also I have fever.

As for the labs I will look into that thank you prob will be a hood idea and maybe if before I find somewhere it could start to feel betta from the steroids prescribed.

It is slightly worrying me but either it's here and until it starts to get betta I'm stuck with it not knowing if it sides is the hardest part though.

Thank you RW.

 

[RottenWillow]

Hey Sulma. Thanks for your advice.
I was at first almost certain it was caused by the corse but as it's went from just a slight horseness to been really sore also I'm really breathless now it makes me think it's asthmatic the asthma seems to have bad spells and when it's bad it's really bad and also at the docs she also took swabs to send to look for infection and took my oxygen levels which were slightly low also I have fever.

As for the labs I will look into that thank you prob will be a hood idea and maybe if before I find somewhere it could start to feel betta from the steroids prescribed.

It is slightly worrying me but either it's here and until it starts to get betta I'm stuck with it not knowing if it sides is the hardest part though.

Thank you RW.

Sorry missed the part where you said you'd already seen the Doc. This happening while on cycle is too coincidental for me. As I explained in the last post, I think this may well be indirectly related to the Deca.