Dbol- Is It Really Necessary???

[Texas Ranger]

Guys, is Dbol REALLY necessary on a first cycle? Or any cycle, for that matter. On every profile I've read and the feedback I've received from various boards, it's used to kickstart a cycle. You do gain impressive size and strength, but it's supposed to be mostly water weight. If this is true, why use it??? Why not just stick to injectables???

 

[Vageta]

Dbol is never necessary on any cycle however it is a great addition if used properly. It is not however a beginner steroid but unfortunately it seems to be their first choice. It's an adrogen so it's usually accompanied by estrogen related sides, especially water retention. In new users these water gains are somehow confused with muscle so when the Dbol stops the water dissapears. Unfortunately the uninformed "assume" this is muscle and claim they've lost their gains.

Also the short half-life of the drug makes it difficult to come off of alone unless you understand how to taper and use clomid correctly. When used with a long ester injectable this downside is made mute since these injectables are self tapering.

Simple answer is Dbol is a great drug to use if you know what you're doing. Unless you are lucky enough to not be effected by estrogen related side effects you should run it with a strong anti-e to minimize bloating. Also you should taper yourself off of the drug over a 2-3 week period while administering clomid to kickstart the HPTA.

If you do your homework Dbol alone can be a nice cycle, especially for steroid virgins. Unfortunately most virgins jump into a Dbol cycle first then ask questions and ultimately they do lose all of their gains. This is the users faults and hardly the drugs' though they usually feel the need to come on here and bash Dbol as a worthless drug.

I don't think the bodybuilders of the 80's would agree with that statement.

 

[GaryWary]

dbol is the king of oral steroids. No other oral steroid delivers like dbol. It is also wonderfully cheap. Gains are keepable. You can keep hold of 50% or more what you gain on dbol.

 

[Fish]

Vageta, nice post.


I will add Dbol is great. For me it is not a "cycle" thing. I use dbol in the pre workout fashion. Gives a great pump, and strength. It is cheap, and is perfect with any test.

But beware, it is also fake much of the time.

Good luck.

 

[acneman]

DBOL was and is the breakfast of champions

but i never use it

i dont use any oral steroid

 

[serge]

Dbol is never necessary on any cycle however it is a great addition if used properly. It is not however a beginner steroid but unfortunately it seems to be their first choice. It's an adrogen so it's usually accompanied by estrogen related sides, especially water retention. In new users these water gains are somehow confused with muscle so when the Dbol stops the water dissapears. Unfortunately the uninformed "assume" this is muscle and claim they've lost their gains.

Also the short half-life of the drug makes it difficult to come off of alone unless you understand how to taper and use clomid correctly. When used with a long ester injectable this downside is made mute since these injectables are self tapering.

Simple answer is Dbol is a great drug to use if you know what you're doing. Unless you are lucky enough to not be effected by estrogen related side effects you should run it with a strong anti-e to minimize bloating. Also you should taper yourself off of the drug over a 2-3 week period while administering clomid to kickstart the HPTA.

If you do your homework Dbol alone can be a nice cycle, especially for steroid virgins. Unfortunately most virgins jump into a Dbol cycle first then ask questions and ultimately they do lose all of their gains. This is the users faults and hardly the drugs' though they usually feel the need to come on here and bash Dbol as a worthless drug.

I don't think the bodybuilders of the 80's would agree with that statement.

"It's an adrogen so it's usually accompanied by estrogen related sides, especially water retention."

dboll is an adrogen, but then so are all the other anabolic steroids, needless to say its not the adrogenic properties that induce water retension (fina is strogly androgenic too you know)

"Also the short half-life of the drug makes it difficult to come off of alone unless you understand how to taper and use clomid correctly. When used with a long ester injectable this downside is made mute since these injectables are self tapering."

its short half life makes its ideal to come off, THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS TAPER YOUR CYCLES, your recovery cant and wont start untill ALL synthetic hormones are out of your system, so you want to use the fast acting gear towards the end of your cycles to initiate clomid therapy right after

"Simple answer is Dbol is a great drug to use if you know what you're doing. Unless you are lucky enough to not be effected by estrogen related side effects you should run it with a strong anti-e to minimize bloating. Also you should taper yourself off of the drug over a 2-3 week period while administering clomid to kickstart the HPTA. "

SIMPLIFICATION: take arimidex or femera and all estrogen related sides go bye bye, ONCE AGAIN--NO TAPERING, NO TAPERING, NO TAPERING, tapering is compramising your gains and recovery

Dboll alone cycles are a WASTE

When its all said and done, dboll is NOT necesary for cycling but is a good addition. On the first cycle one would make just as good of the gains without the use of dboll and just running test and deca, or better test and eq

 

[supertech69]

I always use d-bol in my cycles. It's a good kick start and it gives you incresed strenght which in turn builds more muscle along w/the test or whatever else you use durring the cycle. I like to taper mine at the end of the cycle then bridge for 3 weeks on a low dose to clear the test from my system and use clomid therapy effectively. In conclusion I would say it is definately not neccessary but, it's a great stack & can be effective as a stand alone if you know what you are doing. There's my $.10 my $.02 is free!

 

[Japanese machine]

personally i hate dbol, it gives me the worst estro fat deposits, even at 25mgs/ed w/.25 ari. i am very sensitive to estro conversion, yup sucks to be me.

 

[MadCow1]

Typical EF Mentality

its short half life makes its ideal to come off, THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS TAPER YOUR CYCLES, your recovery cant and wont start untill ALL synthetic hormones are out of your system, so you want to use the fast acting gear towards the end of your cycles to initiate clomid therapy right after

SIMPLIFICATION: take arimidex or femera and all estrogen related sides go bye bye, ONCE AGAIN--NO TAPERING, NO TAPERING, NO TAPERING, tapering is compramising your gains and recovery

Dboll alone cycles are a WASTE

Dude - having known tons of guys who ran dbol alone very successfully over the past 2 decades (including myself on many occasions), I can say that your theoretical knowledge doesn't add up to a pile of dogshit.

I never knew of anyone who disliked dbol until I started reading the internet boards a while back. I can only surmise that it's comprised of those who've never tried dbol alone, those who quote popular rhetoric, and those who are imcompetent. Judging from the roid users I see in the gyms these days I'd say it's the incompetence.

I guess human physiology has changed radically in the past decade making dbol wasteful and ineffective. However, dbol was the drug for which the taper was invented. There is much truth that it has been misapplied to other longer acting substances. The bottom line is that everyone who keeps dbol gains tapers the drug down and those who lose it all generally listen to posts like your own and go from 35mg daily to nothing. The correlation is undeniable.

Many injectibles are selftapering - this is why guys like the gains from them as it's done for them due to long halflife in the body. It is unnecessary to self taper as the drug will taper itself. This is not the case for a short acting oral like dbol. Look at those newbies that have used test suspension (I've known of several but difficult to find as many want infrequent injects so this is the antithesis). Does this mean that test sucks? No, it means that suspension is fast acting and out of the body quickly whereas with other esters attached the self tapering in the body allows gains to be kept - there is no difference in test, just length of action as dictated by ester.

So if one wanted to ensure higher gain retention for faster acting substances - they could be stacked with longer esters for autotaper or self tapered.

This can go back and forth forever but the simple facts are that dbol alone has worked well for decades and those who have successfully employed it taper the dosage down at the end of the cycle. The fact that the new wave of internet boys have finally realized that tapering long acting injectibles is somewhat needless and have now misapplied that theory to short acting compounds and subsequently dbol only cycles become waste is a testament of their rhetoric and the incompetence of users.

Sorry for my rant but dbol has worked since the 1950's and only in the past few years has it been maligned by a bunch of hacks.

To original poster - no it's not necessary. People just use it because once they start their first injects they want to see some gains. They don't want to wait for the longer acting roids to buildup in their bodies. So maybe "kickstart" should be called a "now and later".

 

[serge]

Re: Typical EF Mentality

Dude - having known tons of guys who ran dbol alone very successfully over the past 2 decades (including myself on many occasions), I can say that your theoretical knowledge doesn't add up to a pile of dogshit.

I never knew of anyone who disliked dbol until I started reading the internet boards a while back. I can only surmise that it's comprised of those who've never tried dbol alone, those who quote popular rhetoric, and those who are imcompetent. Judging from the roid users I see in the gyms these days I'd say it's the incompetence.

I guess human physiology has changed radically in the past decade making dbol wasteful and ineffective. However, dbol was the drug for which the taper was invented. There is much truth that it has been misapplied to other longer acting substances. The bottom line is that everyone who keeps dbol gains tapers the drug down and those who lose it all generally listen to posts like your own and go from 35mg daily to nothing. The correlation is undeniable.

Many injectibles are selftapering - this is why guys like the gains from them as it's done for them due to long halflife in the body. It is unnecessary to self taper as the drug will taper itself. This is not the case for a short acting oral like dbol. Look at those newbies that have used test suspension (I've known of several but difficult to find as many want infrequent injects so this is the antithesis). Does this mean that test sucks? No, it means that suspension is fast acting and out of the body quickly whereas with other esters attached the self tapering in the body allows gains to be kept - there is no difference in test, just length of action as dictated by ester.

So if one wanted to ensure higher gain retention for faster acting substances - they could be stacked with longer esters for autotaper or self tapered.

This can go back and forth forever but the simple facts are that dbol alone has worked well for decades and those who have successfully employed it taper the dosage down at the end of the cycle. The fact that the new wave of internet boys have finally realized that tapering long acting injectibles is somewhat needless and have now misapplied that theory to short acting compounds and subsequently dbol only cycles become waste is a testament of their rhetoric and the incompetence of users.

Sorry for my rant but dbol has worked since the 1950's and only in the past few years has it been maligned by a bunch of hacks.

To original poster - no it's not necessary. People just use it because once they start their first injects they want to see some gains. They don't want to wait for the longer acting roids to buildup in their bodies. So maybe "kickstart" should be called a "now and later".

i read through and here are my original points:

1) dboll alone is a waste of time, it will generate gains but nothing compared to when its stacked with test or tren

2) tapering is a waste of time, since your body will not start to produce its own testosterone untill ALL OF THE SYNTHETIC SHIT IS OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM

3) long acting gear should be dumped out of the cycle 2-3 weeks before the cycle ends, and replaced with fast acting gear, that way you dont have to wait 2-3 weeks after the last shot to start the clomid therapy

4) "The fact that the new wave of internet boys have finally realized that tapering long acting injectibles is somewhat needless and have now misapplied that theory to short acting compounds and subsequently dbol only cycles become waste is a testament of their rhetoric and the incompetence of users."

i never said that short acting compounds were useless, as a matter of fact all i use is short acting stuff, much more control; although also more discomfort

5) "Does this mean that test sucks? No, it means that suspension is fast acting and out of the body quickly whereas with other esters attached the self tapering in the body allows gains to be kept - there is no difference in test, just length of action as dictated by ester."

NO SHIT, SHERLOCK