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I can't find any scienfiic journal or medical report citing that you need more than 70-140g's of protein (for a 170lb male) -- it's not out there... Science is against me on this one...

How can scientists say that at a 170lb male only needs 80g of protein to effectively gain muscle mass??!? That goes against everything that is proven and solid... anecdotal or not!

DAMNIT.. .I hate losing because I don't have anything to cite.

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Do all the articles you are seeing say of "bodyweight" or "lean body mass?" And are they saying "for muscle growth" or to exist with muscles attached?

131g of protein for a 170 pounds man is not exactly a suffering level, but if that man is 12% fat, and therefore has a LBM of around 150, that x 1.7 is 116g. This is why I use 2x LBM to determine protein intake. It just works better for me.

Results are proof. :)

...but don't forget that carbs make muscle too. Too much protein is an expensive way of getting carbs. I do it because I have "issues" with carbs. The average Joe doesn't NEED that much.
 
...there is a study where soviet trainers boosted it to 2.2 grams per pound of bdywght and gained an average of 5% bodyweight.
 
...there is a study where soviet trainers boosted it to 2.2 grams per pound of bdywght and gained an average of 5% lean mass.
 
I think this sums it up nicely:

Beyond the zone: protein needs of active individuals.

Lemon PW.

Exercise Nutrition Research Laboratory, The University of Western Ontario, London, Canada.


There has been debate among athletes and nutritionists regarding dietary protein needs for centuries. Although contrary to traditional belief, recent scientific information collected on physically active individuals tends to indicate that regular exercise increases daily protein requirements; however, the precise details remain to be worked out. Based on laboratory measures, daily protein requirements are increased by perhaps as much as 100% vs. recommendations for sedentary individuals (1.6-1.8 vs. 0.8 g/kg). Yet even these intakes are much less than those reported by most athletes. This may mean that actual requirements are below what is needed to optimize athletic performance, and so the debate continues. Numerous interacting factors including energy intake, carbohydrate availability, exercise intensity, duration and type, dietary protein quality, training history, gender, age, timing of nutrient intake and the like make this topic extremely complex. Many questions remain to be resolved. At the present time, substantial data indicate that the current recommended protein intake should be adjusted upward for those who are physically active, especially in populations whose needs are elevated for other reasons, e.g., growing individuals, dieters, vegetarians, individuals with muscle disease-induced weakness and the elderly. For these latter groups, specific supplementation may be appropriate, but for most North Americans who consume a varied diet, including complete protein foods (meat, eggs, fish and dairy products), and sufficient energy the increased protein needs induced by a regular exercise program can be met in one's diet.



In layman's terms, do what works for you. :)
 
Just wanted to add that there are PLENTY of studies showing that powerlifters, and other strength athletes, and those lifting heavy have greater protein requirements than endurance athletes.
 
Someday you will learn that Science does not always point out the correct answers.

B True
 
As rediculous as this sounds....I read, and I cant remember where, that an individual with lean body mass needs less protein to maintain that mass as well as build mass..then per say a chunk cat....me, i need 1.5 times my body weight to do it....one dont work and 2 or more comes out the old shitter.....and then again, science said ephedrine will kill us all, the world was flat....the hole in the ozone will kill us before the big bomb gets dropped, and to much training will kill you...

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