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bigdave2628

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Im starting my cycle of these two products on monday. I wanted to know from people that took them what is the best way to take them. Also what type of diet you followed.
 
I space them throughout the day as much as possible, just makes sense to me that way although i hear a lot of people doing a load in the morning like 2 caps of the 3, then one more in the afternoon. Other people seem to like to pre load them before a work out.

For me, spacing them out seems to be working well. Finishing up the third week of Havoc (4th week of cyclotren) by this coming monday and my bench, dead, n squat are getting some pretty decent gains. Weight wise I've only gained like 3 - 4 lbs, but I'm on ECA too with tons of cardio <swimmikng> so I've been losing a lot of fat weight.

After doing A LOT of researching through various forums including EF, I wish I would have gone on a much bigger calorie + protein surplus n consumed more water. I think you got room to eat a lot more and not worry so much about fat gain on this stack.

For the last week of Havoc, n next last two weeks of cyclo I'll be eating like an elephant and continue pushing myself especially hard in the gym
 
bigdave2628 said:
Im starting my cycle of these two products on monday. I wanted to know from people that took them what is the best way to take them. Also what type of diet you followed.
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There are a ton of threads on this subject if you scroll down in this section. :)
 
needtogetaas said:
I would never take to orals at once.
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So, whats the difference of taking 20mg var, 20mg tbol, and 20mg dbol together vs 100mg anadrol daily?


As long as the total dose is reasonable, I don't see a difference.
 
Cyclotren is super mild on the liver because it is non methylated.There is a new product we just got called Icon by starchem labs that is the parent hormone of 11oxo and needs no conversion like 11oxo because it is the active ingredient already.It is non methylated and also a cortisol blocker.This is going to be a bad ass one.
 
I going to start a cycle of havoc/cyclotren at the beginning of October (age 37, 205lbs, 18% bf). Unfortunately, I have a business trip planned in Europe at the beginning of November. This is my first time doing anything close to this. Would a four week cycle be enough to see gains? Will an inability to work out with weights for a week be a bad thing right at the end of the cycle? As far as PCT, would Liquinolva be enough, or should I add another supplement? Do I need an AI during the cycle? I have already purchased the cyclo/havoc/life support stack from JAM. I know these are questions that come up a lot here, but I see a lot of different information and I want to be as prepared as possible. Thanks in advance for some helpful info.
 
superclock said:
I going to start a cycle of havoc/cyclotren at the beginning of October (age 37, 205lbs, 18% bf). Unfortunately, I have a business trip planned in Europe at the beginning of November. This is my first time doing anything close to this. Would a four week cycle be enough to see gains? Will an inability to work out with weights for a week be a bad thing right at the end of the cycle? As far as PCT, would Liquinolva be enough, or should I add another supplement? Do I need an AI during the cycle? I have already purchased the cyclo/havoc/life support stack from JAM. I know these are questions that come up a lot here, but I see a lot of different information and I want to be as prepared as possible. Thanks in advance for some helpful info.
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Im on my 5th week of Cyclo tren and 2nd week of Havok
I started seeing gains 2 weeks into Cyclo and after the 1st week of Havoc.My cycle is 8 weeks on Cyclo tren and I worked in the Havoc three weeks after, for 4 weeks.
Im really looking forward to seeing what the ass end of this stack is going to do. The 1st half has not disappointed.
I can only speak for myself. If I started the stack and was to skip a week of wieghts. Id go insane.
I would wait till you get back from vacation. Only because your going to be so pumped up from your stack that If it was me....I wouldnt be able to relax. Ide spend my whole time on vacation looking for a gym.
 
Damn, I figured as much. The problem is I have a business trip to the UK beginning of September, another one to Lithuania end of September, then another to Hawaii beginning of November. More trips in January. NONE of them are vacations, unfortunately. I see the airport, the hotel, the meeting place or convention hall, then go back home. I'm dying to get started with this stack. Looks like I'll need a minimum of six weeks for the cycle. It might have to wait until after Hawaii. DasWolf, what are you doing for PCT?
 
superclock said:
I going to start a cycle of havoc/cyclotren at the beginning of October (age 37, 205lbs, 18% bf). Unfortunately, I have a business trip planned in Europe at the beginning of November. This is my first time doing anything close to this. Would a four week cycle be enough to see gains? Will an inability to work out with weights for a week be a bad thing right at the end of the cycle? As far as PCT, would Liquinolva be enough, or should I add another supplement? Do I need an AI during the cycle? I have already purchased the cyclo/havoc/life support stack from JAM. I know these are questions that come up a lot here, but I see a lot of different information and I want to be as prepared as possible. Thanks in advance for some helpful info.
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On Havoc for me the last week and a half is when I saw the most dramatic strength gains. So not lifting weights during that time would be a waste of a cycle in my eyes.
 
I wouldn't take more than one sup at a time. Breakdown of these are harsh man, I don't care what anyone says, I know better.
 
I'm taking both right now...3 caps of each a day. (spaced out throughout the day) Just started week 4, and I am up 10lbs. Noticeable strength gains, definition, etc.

Great products..Really started to see physical changes about 2 weeks into it. Great stuff!
 
Yup...that's where I got my PCT from as well...

Although I opted to take "life cycle support" as opposed to "cycle support" since everything else I was taking is in capsules it just seemed easiar to me.
 
walliwalibus said:
At that price I'll stick my usual.
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I would put that PCT stack up against any ones usual as far as recovery any time. Also as far as not running more than one supplement at a time,when you are running cyclotren and a methyl you are really only running one supplement that stresses the liver and thats the methylated compound. It is no more damage than you would get from drinking a few alcoholic drinks on the week end. As long as your safe with your health and dosages,all it takes is a little common sense to stay perfectly healthy on these products.
 
Just Add Muscle said:
I would put that PCT stack up against any ones usual as far as recovery any time. Also as far as not running more than one supplement at a time,when you are running cyclotren and a methyl you are really only running one supplement that stresses the liver and thats the methylated compound. It is no more damage than you would get from drinking a few alcoholic drinks on the week end. As long as your safe with your health and dosages,all it takes is a little common sense to stay perfectly healthy on these products.
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you should start selling some of that...maybe guys would quit doubling/tripling the recommended dosages. :biggrin:
 
What can I say…..? Day three dose is 140mg cyclotren/ 30mg Havoc. Cyclotren 2 for breakfast and 2 30mins before workout. I worked out on day 2. How was it lol better than I would expect. I don’t feel stronger lol. I feel no more pain or burn when lifting until I get to the last sets but can push them out. Normal chit-up were 10 straight now 15 and that’s just one day of working out. I order to get good gains you must still push your self. Cyclotren and Havoc are not steroids you will have to work hard, but now you can push your self more. I have a headache today and I know why lol. I sweat a lil last night while sleeping. The last 2 nights I have been pissing like a race horse at 11pm, 12am and 3am lol. I drink like 150-200 ounces of water a day. In a few more weeks my body will be full of chemicals than I will get the full effects lol.

By the way if you use Optimum 100% Casein Protein it will do the job. Use it right before you go to sleep. When you wake up you will feeling wow rejuvenated!!!
 
extreem_hnasty said:
What can I say…..? Day three dose is 140mg cyclotren/ 30mg Havoc. Cyclotren 2 for breakfast and 2 30mins before workout. I worked out on day 2. How was it lol better than I would expect. I don’t feel stronger lol. I feel no more pain or burn when lifting until I get to the last sets but can push them out. Normal chit-up were 10 straight now 15 and that’s just one day of working out. I order to get good gains you must still push your self. Cyclotren and Havoc are not steroids you will have to work hard, but now you can push your self more. I have a headache today and I know why lol. I sweat a lil last night while sleeping. The last 2 nights I have been pissing like a race horse at 11pm, 12am and 3am lol. I drink like 150-200 ounces of water a day. In a few more weeks my body will be full of chemicals than I will get the full effects lol.

By the way if you use Optimum 100% Casein Protein it will do the job. Use it right before you go to sleep. When you wake up you will feeling wow rejuvenated!!!
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Anabolic Steroid - "A synthetic derivative of testosterone."

Dude, these ARE steroids. Wait til you are 4 weeks in and your strength has gone way up, as well as your weight and leanness.
 
Its cool, no one should be mad at anyone. I just have my stuff and you have yours. No biggie, i just cannot afford to experiment right now.

walli
 
walliwalibus said:
Does one really need the cycle support product....... couldn't you just cycle cyclo-tren and havoc?
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You would be surprised at the huge difference that the proper support supplements can make in your lipid,liver enzyme and blood pressure.I have always used liv 52,policosonol,hawthorn berry and saw palmetto while running my OTC cycles and have never had a bad blood test,and I have even had them while on.I have heard people who's cholesterol has been trashed and blood pressure and lipids have been crap.None of the people that you ever talk to that have bad blood work usually use proper supplements.I would say most people fail to do this,witch is more important than the hormones them selfs if your in it for the long haul and planniog to stay healthy.
 
Load up your luggage with books, the heavier the better. Also pack a duffel bag. Throw your books and the phone books in he room into a duffel bag and you've got some resistance. If you have bottled water, through that in there too. You can deadlife the bag with one arm, clean and jerk. You can do shoulders well this way, curls, extensions, abs, obliques. Throw the shoulder strap over your shoulders and get some lunges and squats in. Move the bag to your back and you can do incline and flat presses using the chairs and bed. Dips in a chair are also great for traps and chest if you can balance your weight accordingly. i do that in my office quite a bit.

I know this is nothing like going to the gym and pushing/pulling some steel but I hate to see you put this off. My thoughts are it's better to start now, and do everything you can to make it work. You can always repeat the cycle later, so I don't see a reason to put it off unless it were a financial thing.
 
Was that a stab? Funny, I don't see you as a member either. Matter of fact, you have 7 posts, which kinda says something, ignore.
 
dabuffguy said:
Anabolic Steroid - "A synthetic derivative of testosterone."

Dude, these ARE steroids. Wait til you are 4 weeks in and your strength has gone way up, as well as your weight and leanness.
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When I do real ASS I will let you know the difference. A lil added test is a good thing lol. Maybe that would explain why I want to f**k more than usual and keep waking up with mad woods lol. I don't need the extra weight. I'm tiring to get down to 175 again so I can enter a BJJ or MT tournament. I'm 183 right now have dropped about 15lbs in these few months. Gained a lot of muscle on the way also. I want to get into that <10%BF. I'm hoping these supplements will get me there. I'm also dieting high protein low carbs and cals less that 3000.

I will let you know in 4weeks is these ARE steroids.
 
extreem_hnasty said:
When I do real ASS I will let you know the difference. A lil added test is a good thing lol. Maybe that would explain why I want to f**k more than usual and keep waking up with mad woods lol. I don't need the extra weight. I'm tiring to get down to 175 again so I can enter a BJJ or MT tournament. I'm 183 right now have dropped about 15lbs in these few months. Gained a lot of muscle on the way also. I want to get into that <10%BF. I'm hoping these supplements will get me there. I'm also dieting high protein low carbs and cals less that 3000.

I will let you know in 4weeks is these ARE steroids.
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Lol, do real ASS? Got some mo's up in this thread waiting to do some ass. Pick3 can help you out there.:)


Dude, just because it's legal doesn't make it NOT a steroid. Just because it is not as strong as testosterone, tren or anadrol doesn't make it NOT a steroid.

I've also done dbol, test, anavar and tbol, and guess what? yup I still believe that cyclotren and havoc are steroids. Does it mean I got as good as results? No, it means that cyclotren, havoc and superdrol clones etc. are steroids because they ARE steroids regardless of a meaningless opinion.

You'll let me know in 4 weeks if they are steroids? How about, I just told you they are steroids, so don't bother.
 
ruairc said:
Load up your luggage with books, the heavier the better. Also pack a duffel bag. Throw your books and the phone books in he room into a duffel bag and you've got some resistance. If you have bottled water, through that in there too. You can deadlife the bag with one arm, clean and jerk. You can do shoulders well this way, curls, extensions, abs, obliques. Throw the shoulder strap over your shoulders and get some lunges and squats in. Move the bag to your back and you can do incline and flat presses using the chairs and bed. Dips in a chair are also great for traps and chest if you can balance your weight accordingly. i do that in my office quite a bit.

I know this is nothing like going to the gym and pushing/pulling some steel but I hate to see you put this off. My thoughts are it's better to start now, and do everything you can to make it work. You can always repeat the cycle later, so I don't see a reason to put it off unless it were a financial thing.
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OK. I have a couple of questions though...will I have ANY problems with Cyclotren and Havoc going through customs in the UK? I'm staying at a Marriott that states that they have a gym with free weights. Generally that means a couple of dumbells. I've been lifting heavy weights at home, so would I just do reps until failure with lighter weights? I would hate to be on this cycle and not be able to lift. Plus, the time change can be a real drag on the system.
 
dabuffguy said:
Lol, do real ASS? Got some mo's up in this thread waiting to do some ass. Pick3 can help you out there.:)


Dude, just because it's legal doesn't make it NOT a steroid. Just because it is not as strong as testosterone, tren or anadrol doesn't make it NOT a steroid.

I've also done dbol, test, anavar and tbol, and guess what? yup I still believe that cyclotren and havoc are steroids. Does it mean I got as good as results? No, it means that cyclotren, havoc and superdrol clones etc. are steroids because they ARE steroids regardless of a meaningless opinion.

You'll let me know in 4 weeks if they are steroids? How about, I just told you they are steroids, so don't bother.
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Man, lately you've been making me laugh my ASS off hahahahahhaha. Thats a good post man.But you're right on man. That's my opinion. I'm with DBG.
 
superclock said:
OK. I have a couple of questions though...will I have ANY problems with Cyclotren and Havoc going through customs in the UK? I'm staying at a Marriott that states that they have a gym with free weights. Generally that means a couple of dumbells. I've been lifting heavy weights at home, so would I just do reps until failure with lighter weights? I would hate to be on this cycle and not be able to lift. Plus, the time change can be a real drag on the system.
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It's legal to posses and use steroids in the UK cuz the brits know that they won't fuck you up like crack and heroin will, contrary to belief of most americans. Don't worry.
 
walliwalibus said:
Was that a stab? Funny, I don't see you as a member either. Matter of fact, you have 7 posts, which kinda says something, ignore.
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I was addressing superclock's post. i handn't even read yours. i don't know where you saw a slam on you. I guess the only reply I could have to you is that the same door that shuts others out, also shuts you in.
 
superclock said:
OK. I have a couple of questions though...will I have ANY problems with Cyclotren and Havoc going through customs in the UK? I'm staying at a Marriott that states that they have a gym with free weights. Generally that means a couple of dumbells. I've been lifting heavy weights at home, so would I just do reps until failure with lighter weights? I would hate to be on this cycle and not be able to lift. Plus, the time change can be a real drag on the system.
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If you do end up getting stuck lifting light, your best off trying to isolate your slow twitch red muscle fibers. You'll want to have sloooow controlled motion both up and down. 2 seconds up, 2 seconds down. You'll want to max contract on each rep. Breathing is important as your going to need oxygen to keep feeding the muscles. Exhaust those badboys and they will require rapairing and building. The bad thing is it takes a little longer to workout, the good is that you will get an aerobic workout as well since the muscle will be devouring oxygen.
 
ruairc said:
If you do end up getting stuck lifting light, your best off trying to isolate your slow twitch red muscle fibers. You'll want to have sloooow controlled motion both up and down. 2 seconds up, 2 seconds down. You'll want to max contract on each rep. Breathing is important as your going to need oxygen to keep feeding the muscles. Exhaust those badboys and they will require rapairing and building. The bad thing is it takes a little longer to workout, the good is that you will get an aerobic workout as well since the muscle will be devouring oxygen.
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Thanks for the good advice. It seems like the gym at the hotel in the UK is decent. If not, I found another one nearby where I could get some day passes. I was pleased to learn that the Lithuania trip is at a swanky resort and the gym kicks ass. So, I started the Cyclotren today. I'm going to do four weeks of just Cyclotren, then add in Havoc for four more weeks. Once again, thanks for the support. I really appreciate it!
 
superclock said:
Thanks for the good advice. It seems like the gym at the hotel in the UK is decent. If not, I found another one nearby where I could get some day passes. I was pleased to learn that the Lithuania trip is at a swanky resort and the gym kicks ass. So, I started the Cyclotren today. I'm going to do four weeks of just Cyclotren, then add in Havoc for four more weeks. Once again, thanks for the support. I really appreciate it!
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Awesome bro,enjoy the trip.
 
dabuffguy said:
Lol, do real ASS? Got some mo's up in this thread waiting to do some ass. Pick3 can help you out there.:)


Dude, just because it's legal doesn't make it NOT a steroid. Just because it is not as strong as testosterone, tren or anadrol doesn't make it NOT a steroid.

I've also done dbol, test, anavar and tbol, and guess what? yup I still believe that cyclotren and havoc are steroids. Does it mean I got as good as results? No, it means that cyclotren, havoc and superdrol clones etc. are steroids because they ARE steroids regardless of a meaningless opinion.

You'll let me know in 4 weeks if they are steroids? How about, I just told you they are steroids, so don't bother.
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LOL thanks for correcting my ASS lol. I'm never really on the site all the time like you are. So my reply took some time. I'm sure you knew I meant AAS=anabolic-androgenic steroids. You can call cyclotren and Havoc steroids with is true. Steroids are a number of natural or synthetic substances that regulate body function. That's fine you have your opinion in that regards. If that is the case just about all bb products are steroids lol. You know I'm talking about illegal steroids so just leave it at that and stop the side joke BS!
 
extreem_hnasty said:
You know I'm talking about illegal steroids so just leave it at that and stop the side joke BS!
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a steroid is a steroid bro, just b/c it hasn't been put on a ban list doesn't make it any less potent. cyclo-tren is A ILLEGAL STEROID, now. it was banned for a reason.
 
Not illegal yet guys,once the ban is official then it will be illegal. It has been discontinued because the FDA has told the manufacturers that they have to stop making it but retailers can and are allowed to sell their stock until it runs out. If it was illegal I would not touch it with a 10 foot pole. I would be risking my business and legal retribution.
 
Just Add Muscle said:
Not illegal yet guys,once the ban is official then it will be illegal. It has been discontinued because the FDA has told the manufacturers that they have to stop making it but retailers can and are allowed to sell their stock until it runs out. If it was illegal I would not touch it with a 10 foot pole. I would be risking my business and legal retribution.
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sorry JAM, i should have worded that differently. It is going to be banned and then illegal......better?!?!?!:rainbow: lol
 
I'm so depressed...I just looked in my bottle of havoc this morning as I was dispensing my daily ration of pills.


I have 1 day left on my cycle...:(

So I decided to cut the cyclotren short, so I can wrap up PCT sooner and try monsterdrol. :)
 
miplank said:
I'm so depressed...I just looked in my bottle of havoc this morning as I was dispensing my daily ration of pills.


I have 1 day left on my cycle...:(

So I decided to cut the cyclotren short, so I can wrap up PCT sooner and try monsterdrol. :)
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LOL!...Thats the way I feel. I have one more week left on this cycle.
After PCT Im going to try the Cyclotren and Monsterdrol stack. Just ordered it this morning so I have no gaps after my PCT. Weeee!!!
 
your not going to do "time on=time off"????


I'm going to take 4-6 weeks off...and then i'm doing 500mg of test-e per week...probably going to jumpstart it with some monsterdrol!!!
 
miplank said:
your not going to do "time on=time off"????


I'm going to take 4-6 weeks off...and then i'm doing 500mg of test-e per week...probably going to jumpstart it with some monsterdrol!!!
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Yeah, going to take 4 weeks off then going for the next cycle
 
extreem_hnasty said:
LOL thanks for correcting my ASS lol. I'm never really on the site all the time like you are. So my reply took some time. I'm sure you knew I meant AAS=anabolic-androgenic steroids. You can call cyclotren and Havoc steroids with is true. Steroids are a number of natural or synthetic substances that regulate body function. That's fine you have your opinion in that regards. If that is the case just about all bb products are steroids lol. You know I'm talking about illegal steroids so just leave it at that and stop the side joke BS!
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You totally missed the point.

cyclotren and Havoc are anabolic androgenic steroids in the same class (chemically) as the illegals. Like mwm5 said, Cyclotren is on the ban list now.


and, it's not an opinion . it is fact. These are AAS. they just aren't illegal yet.
 
Cyclotren & Havoc nice post. I have been getting good gains. First week stats were Weight 183.7, Fat% 22.7, BMI% 27.7 and Muscle% 39.0. Second week Weight 188.6, Fat% 19.9, BMI% 28.4 and Muscle% 40.5. Any suppliments are only as good as good training. I felt good yesterday so I lifted more weight I was deep squatting 315 on the smith machine pretty good. Veins were trying to jump out my skin lol. I benched 265 one time with a sore shoulder could have done more if I was 100% maybe 275 lol.

A good friend of mine told me wait until week 4 and your strength gains will go way up. Well listen I can't wait until it comes. I like the hypertrophy and I see so much separation in my chest, arms and shoulders.

I was looking through my gym bag yesterday and what do you know, I found 4 bottles of Cyclotren and 2 Havoc lol. Looks like I'm sitting pretty good!
 
extreem_hnasty said:
cyclotren & havoc nice post. I have been getting good gains. First week stats were weight 183.7, fat% 22.7, bmi% 27.7 and muscle% 39.0. Second week weight 188.6, fat% 19.9, bmi% 28.4 and muscle% 40.5. Any suppliments are only as good as good training. I felt good yesterday so i lifted more weight i was deep squatting 315 on the smith machine pretty good. Veins were trying to jump out my skin lol. I benched 265 one time with a sore shoulder could have done more if i was 100% maybe 275 lol.

A good friend of mine told me wait until week 4 and your strength gains will go way up. Well listen i can't wait until it comes. I like the hypertrophy and i see so much separation in my chest, arms and shoulders.

I was looking through my gym bag yesterday and what do you know, i found 4 bottles of cyclotren and 2 havoc lol. Looks like i'm sitting pretty good!
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