Cyclo-Tren & Havoc

[FuzzyGophar]

I going to start a cycle of havoc/cyclotren at the beginning of October (age 37, 205lbs, 18% bf). Unfortunately, I have a business trip planned in Europe at the beginning of November. This is my first time doing anything close to this. Would a four week cycle be enough to see gains? Will an inability to work out with weights for a week be a bad thing right at the end of the cycle? As far as PCT, would Liquinolva be enough, or should I add another supplement? Do I need an AI during the cycle? I have already purchased the cyclo/havoc/life support stack from JAM. I know these are questions that come up a lot here, but I see a lot of different information and I want to be as prepared as possible. Thanks in advance for some helpful info.

On Havoc for me the last week and a half is when I saw the most dramatic strength gains. So not lifting weights during that time would be a waste of a cycle in my eyes.

 

[walliwalibus]

I wouldn't take more than one sup at a time. Breakdown of these are harsh man, I don't care what anyone says, I know better.

 

[miplank]

I'm taking both right now...3 caps of each a day. (spaced out throughout the day) Just started week 4, and I am up 10lbs. Noticeable strength gains, definition, etc.

Great products..Really started to see physical changes about 2 weeks into it. Great stuff!

 

[DasWolf]

DasWolf, what are you doing for PCT?

I got my PCT from JAM. Heres the link:
The Ultimate Post Cycle Support - The Ultimate Post Cycle Support - Supplements 911 - BodyBuilding Supplements,Save on Sports Nutrition and Sport Supplements at JustAddMuscle.

 

[miplank]

Yup...that's where I got my PCT from as well...

Although I opted to take "life cycle support" as opposed to "cycle support" since everything else I was taking is in capsules it just seemed easiar to me.

 

[walliwalibus]

At that price I'll stick my usual.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

At that price I'll stick my usual.

I would put that PCT stack up against any ones usual as far as recovery any time. Also as far as not running more than one supplement at a time,when you are running cyclotren and a methyl you are really only running one supplement that stresses the liver and thats the methylated compound. It is no more damage than you would get from drinking a few alcoholic drinks on the week end. As long as your safe with your health and dosages,all it takes is a little common sense to stay perfectly healthy on these products.

 

[miplank]

I would put that PCT stack up against any ones usual as far as recovery any time. Also as far as not running more than one supplement at a time,when you are running cyclotren and a methyl you are really only running one supplement that stresses the liver and thats the methylated compound. It is no more damage than you would get from drinking a few alcoholic drinks on the week end. As long as your safe with your health and dosages,all it takes is a little common sense to stay perfectly healthy on these products.

you should start selling some of that...maybe guys would quit doubling/tripling the recommended dosages.

 

[extreem_hnasty]

What can I say…..? Day three dose is 140mg cyclotren/ 30mg Havoc. Cyclotren 2 for breakfast and 2 30mins before workout. I worked out on day 2. How was it lol better than I would expect. I don’t feel stronger lol. I feel no more pain or burn when lifting until I get to the last sets but can push them out. Normal chit-up were 10 straight now 15 and that’s just one day of working out. I order to get good gains you must still push your self. Cyclotren and Havoc are not steroids you will have to work hard, but now you can push your self more. I have a headache today and I know why lol. I sweat a lil last night while sleeping. The last 2 nights I have been pissing like a race horse at 11pm, 12am and 3am lol. I drink like 150-200 ounces of water a day. In a few more weeks my body will be full of chemicals than I will get the full effects lol.

By the way if you use Optimum 100% Casein Protein it will do the job. Use it right before you go to sleep. When you wake up you will feeling wow rejuvenated!!!

 

[DasWolf]

Cyclotren and Havoc are not steroids

If after your cycle, you still think these compounds are not steroids, I will buy you a house.