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Im starting my cycle of these two products on monday. I wanted to know from people that took them what is the best way to take them. Also what type of diet you followed.
Cyclo-Tren & Havoc
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Elementality
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I space them throughout the day as much as possible, just makes sense to me that way although i hear a lot of people doing a load in the morning like 2 caps of the 3, then one more in the afternoon. Other people seem to like to pre load them before a work out.
For me, spacing them out seems to be working well. Finishing up the third week of Havoc (4th week of cyclotren) by this coming monday and my bench, dead, n squat are getting some pretty decent gains. Weight wise I've only gained like 3 - 4 lbs, but I'm on ECA too with tons of cardio <swimmikng> so I've been losing a lot of fat weight.
After doing A LOT of researching through various forums including EF, I wish I would have gone on a much bigger calorie + protein surplus n consumed more water. I think you got room to eat a lot more and not worry so much about fat gain on this stack.
For the last week of Havoc, n next last two weeks of cyclo I'll be eating like an elephant and continue pushing myself especially hard in the gym
For me, spacing them out seems to be working well. Finishing up the third week of Havoc (4th week of cyclotren) by this coming monday and my bench, dead, n squat are getting some pretty decent gains. Weight wise I've only gained like 3 - 4 lbs, but I'm on ECA too with tons of cardio <swimmikng> so I've been losing a lot of fat weight.
After doing A LOT of researching through various forums including EF, I wish I would have gone on a much bigger calorie + protein surplus n consumed more water. I think you got room to eat a lot more and not worry so much about fat gain on this stack.
For the last week of Havoc, n next last two weeks of cyclo I'll be eating like an elephant and continue pushing myself especially hard in the gym
needtogetaas
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I would never take to orals at once.
Elementality
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needtogetaas said:
not even in the case where cyclotren is non methyl?
J
Just Add Muscle
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Cyclotren is super mild on the liver because it is non methylated.There is a new product we just got called Icon by starchem labs that is the parent hormone of 11oxo and needs no conversion like 11oxo because it is the active ingredient already.It is non methylated and also a cortisol blocker.This is going to be a bad ass one.
superclock
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I going to start a cycle of havoc/cyclotren at the beginning of October (age 37, 205lbs, 18% bf). Unfortunately, I have a business trip planned in Europe at the beginning of November. This is my first time doing anything close to this. Would a four week cycle be enough to see gains? Will an inability to work out with weights for a week be a bad thing right at the end of the cycle? As far as PCT, would Liquinolva be enough, or should I add another supplement? Do I need an AI during the cycle? I have already purchased the cyclo/havoc/life support stack from JAM. I know these are questions that come up a lot here, but I see a lot of different information and I want to be as prepared as possible. Thanks in advance for some helpful info.
DasWolf
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Im on my 5th week of Cyclo tren and 2nd week of Havok
I started seeing gains 2 weeks into Cyclo and after the 1st week of Havoc.My cycle is 8 weeks on Cyclo tren and I worked in the Havoc three weeks after, for 4 weeks.
Im really looking forward to seeing what the ass end of this stack is going to do. The 1st half has not disappointed.
I can only speak for myself. If I started the stack and was to skip a week of wieghts. Id go insane.
I would wait till you get back from vacation. Only because your going to be so pumped up from your stack that If it was me....I wouldnt be able to relax. Ide spend my whole time on vacation looking for a gym.
superclock
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Damn, I figured as much. The problem is I have a business trip to the UK beginning of September, another one to Lithuania end of September, then another to Hawaii beginning of November. More trips in January. NONE of them are vacations, unfortunately. I see the airport, the hotel, the meeting place or convention hall, then go back home. I'm dying to get started with this stack. Looks like I'll need a minimum of six weeks for the cycle. It might have to wait until after Hawaii. DasWolf, what are you doing for PCT?
