cutting without bulking? and other queries :)

[rez]

for spatts..and others who are carb rotating..

at the moment, im carb rotating through the week and zero-20g carbs on sat and sunday. This weekend i had to wake up at 630am i was so hungry..even though i ate before bed...is this becuase my metabolism is used to eating early b/c i train early during the week and is speeding up?

also my muscles look 'flater' on these days..does the same thing happen to you guys?

 

[KBgrl]

KB - I have a concern with a "tone" class or any other class at this point due to the lasix issue. I think this is one of those cases where cardiac failure is a very real possiblity - not a doctor and I wish to hell someone with a phd or some knowledge would jump in here. Just don't want her dying on the gym floor because we told her it was okay. Nothing in her system is functioning properly right now.

Im an ass! I totally wasnt thinking of any of that when I typed my response. I forgot that mini was taking that shit. Thx for pointing that out to me T.

hey -- why are you taking that anyway?? its not making you lose fat... you know that right?

 

[KEL]

My .02
I was prescribed lasix - I held on to even more water... felt like crap!

The racehorses can keep it as far as I’m concerned.

 

[wyst]

KB - I have a concern with a "tone" class or any other class at this point due to the lasix issue. I think this is one of those cases where cardiac failure is a very real possiblity - not a doctor and I wish to hell someone with a phd or some knowledge would jump in here. Just don't want her dying on the gym floor because we told her it was okay. Nothing in her system is functioning properly right now.

Yeah, this is a woman who has written on a recent thread that she has 8.5 inch biceps. 8.5! As much as I think it's a good idea to help people through their various disorders and weaknesses, I think advising her on adding more exercise to her lifestyle without eating more could be tantamount to assisted suicide. Lasix for a person with 8.5 inch biceps? Weight workouts for a person with the stated goal of not gaining size past 8.5 inches and the goal of looking like Courtney Cox?

I just find this very troubling, and the whole thin thing that is all over the boards now is even more frightening (this part here is in general, mini, and not aimed at your specifically). I've lived with people who thought this way before, in school, and I really really think that if you look carefully at what they're asking, it's really how to burn off *more* fat without getting any bigger. That's dieting in my book, death dieting. Once you've hit the fat-destruction wall and aren't eating anything already, and you're on lasix, and binging and purging, sometimes the only way you can cut out more fat is to add more exercise. When you're that skinny, it's a BAD idea to add more exercise to your life, unless you add more calories, more protein, more carbs, and more fat. Otherwise it's just a tool for self annihilation.

I was looking at hardbdygrl's photos and I'm really liking her abs! Could it be remotely realistic for me to aim for such definition without incorporating a bulking diet?

I'm pretty surprised that no one here has said:

NO!

The same with your upper arms. You won't be building muscle if you don't eat more, you'll just be burning fat. Your clay analogy doesn't hold up. If you add more exercise without adding more calories, you'll end up getting smaller overall, discarding clay, not reshaping it. Sure, you'll get the separation you're looking for, but not through building muscle. That is *not* fitness or bodybuilding. It's a classic anorexic strategy.

This isn't a flame against the Thin Forum folks, or against the people trying to help them -- I believe you're all good people, on both ends. I hope I'm just being the drama chick I sometimes am, but I'd be very sad if my suspicion -- that some of these people just want to use the tools of bodybuilding for bodydestruction -- turned out to be true. Am I beating a dead horse? Maybe. But better than mourning a dead woman, and knowing that this site contributed to the death.

 

[rez]

I wake up hungry at 4 am, even on non-training days...funny how your bod doesn't py attention to the day of the week, huh?

Yes, you will be flatter. Carbs make ya look GOOOOOOD!

Rotating during the week and nothing on the weekend? Why isn't the weekend part of the rotation?

well it kinda is i guess...
saturday is cardio FTITM (like everything else), so ill have some low gi carb and pro as my post workout meal. After that its just green veg and salads as the only carb sources.

sunday is rest day..so i see no point having carbs here. On this point... i was wondering what you thought may be the best workout for monday morning? cardio...no carbs for 2 days..burn more fat? or get preworkout carbs and pump iron??

 

[new@gettinbig]

First of all Courtney Cox is like a twig w/ no definition in her arms at all....that would take no training or hard work at all to have your arms look like that. Women I think have this fear of hittin weights and getting too bulky etc...you WILL NOT GET BULKY..yes if you eat shit..you will get fat..but w/ clean eating and a good training program you will only improve your body...Weight training is SO important..and it should be your primary focus..I would possibly hook up w/ a trainer to get you set on a solid program..have someone show you the ropes and get you comfortable....it would be worth the investment.

 

[Temple]

Wyst - you just said everything I have been struggling with as far as this issue goes. No, I do not think you are being overly dramatic.

 

[mini_mouse]

Thank you for all your responses

I want to say, before I pick up on any specific points, the training I am discussing here is part of a 'trial run' recovery/maintenance exercise for me. I would be eating larger quantities of food (balanced around 40:40:20) and re-framing my weight goals for weight maintenance rather than loss. I am hoping that the additional training will justify for me the increase in food and that it may even teach me how to take pride in developing a stronger form. I have reached (or perhaps I should say, returned to) a point where I WANT a healthy perspective and I know that the only way to achieve this is to engage healthier behaviours. I wish it could work the other way around - it would be far less difficult - but it rarely does.

Re: lasix. Firstly, I really don't take it as often as you seem to think. I probably take it less than a lot of ppl here in fact. At most I take it 3x in a week, more often only once or twice. However, I am still going to make sure that my lab results give me the all clear before going ahead with any new training plans. I re-scheduled my dr. appt. for this coming wednesday, so I'll have blood work done then and will find out the results, hopefully, before next weekend. If my potassium is low then I will improve it next week and have another test done to ensure it is back within range. I will then continue to have weekly/fortnightly checks so that it stays that way.
One thing I am curious about though is why, when so many BBs take lasix, my use of it makes you think I'm not eligible for lifting. How come it's more ok for them to use lasix than it is for me? The level of potassium/sodium in your blood is not correlative with body mass

Yeah, this is a woman who has written on a recent thread that she has 8.5 inch biceps. 8.5! As much as I think it's a good idea to help people through their various disorders and weaknesses, I think advising her on adding more exercise to her lifestyle without eating more could be tantamount to assisted suicide.

Maybe 8.5" sounds smaller than what it actually is? Your average person would perhaps think me "slim", but by no means would they think me sickly or emaciated. I don't have 'anorexic' stamped on my forehead .... or my bicep for that matter . I think some of you must think me to be far smaller than I actually am and I think that that, in turn, makes you think I am less physically healthy and capable than I actually am. I have half a mind to show you a photo so that you can see for yourself

It's funny but you guys actually make me feel embarrassed to be thought of as "too thin" when, for years, I have strived to be thought of as such. This is a good thing. A weird thing but a good thing

Thanks for your patience.
love mini

p.s Ok, so poor Courtney didn't get a very good response, did she?! But what d'ya think about ... Madonna? (and, just to warn you, I may be puny but I'll still whup your sorry ass if you breathe one bad word about her - I'm an obsessed fan )

 

[thin]

I just wanted to say that I was thinking about getting bigger. Like in volume ppl like 10" arms to maybe 12"? But that is scary. So I wanna read some more first.

I don't know if it is too scary for me, but I'm thinking it'd be nice to have bigger arms to go with my big legs.

As for you mini-- are you gonna eat more to pick up the slack for your new work out? You could do it 1:1 like for all the extra excercise you do you eat some more protien? I did that for a week and it improved my (bad) race time (it's still bad, but it's better) and my thighs are a bit nicer looking (and no more massive than before, can still get two hands round the big part)

So, maybe try the shrimp thing?

 

[Temple]

Madonna - okay that's a start, at least she has that whole yoga thing going on.
I'm just going to cut to the chase.
8.5" biceps on a grown woman = emaciated and I don't care how you try to sell it to me. Hell, even got out my tape measure just to see what it looks like and I have an 8 year old with bigger arms.
To meet ANY type of a fitness goal you have to EAT
NOT NEGOTIABLE
Lasix is a dangerous drug PERIOD OVER AND OUT AMEN and it is not something that I have ever heard of anyone on this board using except perhaps those that are competing at the upper levels of the sport and only then for very very short periods of time i.e. possibly a day or so before competition.
Actually I think the best advice I can give you is if you are serious about getting past your ED then you need to see a doctor, give him the full details and procede under his/her supervision. As much as I want to help you I cannot in good conscience give you advice beyond my knowledge when the end result could be fatal.