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Cutting/Trying to get down to 5% bodyfat, how many carbs?

Vageta, how do you get so much protein? 340grams for me is a lot, meats too expensive, milk has too many carbs, eggs barely have any protein.

I have some meat, but not near enough to get 340grams, have some whey but I don't want to take so much that I have to buy a 5lb bag every week.
 
I eat most of my carbs at breakfast and lunch, try not to eat too many carbs past about 6:00

Most carbs I consume are from low glycemic/high fiber foods like oatmeal, beans and so on.

I've tried low carb cutters but they just don't work for me, all day long I feel shitty and have no energy and my muscles look small and flat. The body NEEDS carbs IMHO.

Hope this helps, just stick with your diet and keep up with cardio and you see the results your looking for.
 
Mag, how many carbs do you recommend for a 170lb male?

I might shoot for around the 150g carb range. How much fat is good, for good fats?

Would 5 table spoons of Olive oil/day be too much?
 
I'm trying to decide if I should go with ~120g carbs daily/high pro/moderate-low fat or a low carb/high pro/moderate fat diet w/ carb refeed days...

I've heard low carb diets give hormonal benefits which can lead to fat loss and mule gain, so I think I'm going to try that.
 
I'm trying to decide if I should go with ~120g carbs daily/high pro/moderate-low fat or a low carb/high pro/moderate fat diet w/ carb refeed days...

12 hours later...

QUOTE]Does a low carb/high protein diet really give hormonal benefits or is that just bullshit?[/QUOTE]

You are over analyzing shit, you've been asking the same questions for weeks. Pick a method and stick to it and you will see results. Once you stick with it for awhile and learn how your body reacts you can start to change things up. Worrying about whether you show be eating 100g vs 150g of carbs is just tedious to the point of rediculous in the larger scheme of things. It ultimately won't make that much of a difference in the long run provided you've got the rest of it right.

You change your diet and workout regimen plans more than nclifter did(and probably still does), and that's saying a lot believe me. First you want to try DC then complain you can't eat enough protein, then you want options on other methods. Asking which diet is best for you on this board is going to get you 100 different answers and will only serve to confuse you even more than you already are.

For your goals I don't think you can beat DC's methods. If you can't follow his simple instructions then I don't see how anything will work for you because this is as simple as it gets. Personally I can get 400g of protein from real food a day without much trouble, I usually only resort to shakes in post workout nutrition and usually one in the morning due to time constraints. I eat about a pound of red meat(cooked weight), a pound of chicken(cooked weight) and combined with eggs, bread, etc... and a couple shakes I easily hit the 400g mark. DC never said it would be easy so if you're not prepared to make the necessary changes to get your protein requirements met then you aren't prepared to make any changes to your physique. If you have to drink 150g of protein from shakes to hit your mark then so bet it. I go through 2-3lbs of protein a week, but in the long run it isn't much more expensive than steak/chicken/fish not to mention the ease of use.

Personally I can find my meat pretty cheap if I shop around. I just bought a boatload of London Broil, which is the leanest cut of beef that I know of, for $1.69 a pound of my local Ralph's. I then bought about 40$ of chicken breasts at Costco(Foster Farms $2.99lb) and I've found it cheaper at Ralph's from time to time. You can also find hamburger meat, turkey and other meats on sale pretty cheap. Not to mention eggs are cheap as hell as well. Also Optimum protein is priced pretty competitively and it never gave me any stomach trouble. Right now I'm using pro-complex which is more expensive, but their Whey is very economical for someone on a fixed budget.

As for your last question there are plenty of different studies out there that outline diet influence on hormones. Personally I think if you want to optimally grow muscle as fast as possible then you need to eat some carbs. I didn't say you had to eat junk food, or pound down 500g of carbs a day, just that you need some carbs in your diet. I know of one study in particular that showed men who eat at least 100g of fat per day had high natural test levels than those who were eating lower fat diets. So if you want to boost your natural hormones then shove down the protein, make sure to get at least 100g of fat(preferably the good kinds) and fill the rest of your diet with carbs.

It's really that simple. You never mentioned your actual goals in this thread, but if you want to slowly shed some more fat while gaining some muscle then I think DC is the way, but if you can't follow his recommendations then don't waste your time on it. Whatever you choose to do, choose it fast and stick to it. The time you've spent nitpicking over the details could have been better used if applied to an actual decision and you'd probably be seeing some results already. Hell, Body For Life is better than changing your diet daily.
 
Ok. I'm going to DC and HIIT 3 times a week.
I'm just gonna aim for 2x BW in protein, +100g fats (mainly from Olive oil), and then very little carbs, probably under 100g daily.

You're right about my goals basically, I want to drop fat mainly and add muscle slowly.

The only reason I was switching from DC is because eating that much protein would be expensive, but if it's fine to have a lot of meals just be whey + olive oil, then i'll be fine.

Hamburger's also a good meat? I didn't think it was.

thanks Vageta
 
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