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canadianhitman
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They need to add a buffer zone.....a double-walled system with dogs patrolling the space in between. And machine-gun towers at regular intervals. If I had those animals next door to me, I'd build a wall that would put the Berlin Wall to shame.
Maybe some day some US president can say "Mr. Sharon, Please tear down that wall" and everyone can rejoice.
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With land mines, concertina wire and attack dogs.
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jerkbox said:
Lol We`re headed in that direction, Why stop now. I feel so much safer with stuff like the Patriot Act.
Reagan should have said "Please tear down that wall... So we can put it up" lol
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Nope not the problem at all.
The problem is that the UN gave the jews a nation in the middle of a set of countries that hate jews more than Hitler did.
The problem is Ariel Sharon is more extreme than the Palestinians.
The problem is that the US is a zionist nation and will back those fucks regardless of how many times they slaughter people in refugee camps.
The problem is that the UN gave the jews a nation in the middle of a set of countries that hate jews more than Hitler did.
The problem is Ariel Sharon is more extreme than the Palestinians.
The problem is that the US is a zionist nation and will back those fucks regardless of how many times they slaughter people in refugee camps.
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tiger88 said:
Bush isn't winning this next election and this is coming from someone that voted for him last time.
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TheOak01 said:
lmao it would be hillariouse if some rich guy came over to your house built his house on your front lawn. tells you GOD says i should be here and after you tell him to get lost ... he pulls a M16 and calls you a terrorist cause all you got is a baseball bat!!
then he builds a wall around his new house!!! keeping you and your family from going to the store for supplys and then crys about his anscestors and the terrors of nazis???!!!!
wouldnt that be fun!!!
I saw a show on TV where children had to wait for hours to be let through a gate in the "wall" fence to go to school. There was this one girl who got to school at 11AM and started her day early in the moring because of the wait for Isreali soldiers to open the gate.
Sometimes they don`t show up to open the gate. If anyone misses the gate opening, They are stuck there.
They`re not going into Isreal, They built the wall ON Palestinian land (here we go) lol, and divided it.
The UN just voted to condemn the wall The vote was like 130+ or whatever to 4 lol. Isreal and US was 2 of the 4 that voted to keep it. I guess it stays then.
Sometimes they don`t show up to open the gate. If anyone misses the gate opening, They are stuck there.
They`re not going into Isreal, They built the wall ON Palestinian land (here we go) lol, and divided it.
The UN just voted to condemn the wall The vote was like 130+ or whatever to 4 lol. Isreal and US was 2 of the 4 that voted to keep it. I guess it stays then.
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BO-DEN said:
Pure and utter bullshit:
Yes, the Israelis hurt palestinian civilains , and why is that?
They got tired of palestinian extremist staging attacks on Israeli citizens and then hiding bihind palestinian civilains, they finally said, we are going to find you regardless of where you hide, and they try and limit the palestina civialn casualties, but if the militant extremist are going to be pussies and hide beihnd children, then the you can't blame the Israelis.
And By the way, have you ever heard of any other countries using rubber bullets to deal with violent demonstartors? You know why there are no violent demonstartors in any arab countries ( there are no nonviolent demonstartors either unless they are saying what the state wants them to say)? BECAUSE THEY USE REAL FUCKING BULLETS!
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pharmguy said:
i blame the israelis for being terrorists, i blame them for being hypocites
and im sorry but i see from a differant point of view... and im sorry that israel exsists.
and as far as pussys?
lmao just cause you got a more expencive wepon then i do dont make me a coward it makes me find more creative ways to destroy you.
who were the one walking into fernesses, WITHOUT A FIGHT!!!!!!
2 million people vs. 400,000..... do the math
i guess they just didnt get there super war machines yet so they didnt fight... if you want me in a fire your gunna have to shoot me dead first
thats what i call a pussy
hidding behind the hoalicoast.
the nature boy
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it doesn't matter. they need palistinian labor. they can protect themselves all they want, it probably won't work. all the other measures they've tried have been unsuccessful, why should this one work.
Moderate_THIS
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I must've written a dozen letters to senators on my proposal of the Great Wall of the Rio Grande. Go Israel
glennds
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i can't remeber the name of this movie but i think it was called the "pianist." it was out earlier this year and starred adrian brody whose family was put in the warsaw ghetto by the nazis.
when his family was first put into the ghetto they looked out of the window of their apartment and saw a brick wall being built. later they showed the completed wall now 15 ft high meant to keep the jews IN.
that was a really chilling scene. the whole movie was really good but dark and depressing like schidlers list.
when his family was first put into the ghetto they looked out of the window of their apartment and saw a brick wall being built. later they showed the completed wall now 15 ft high meant to keep the jews IN.
that was a really chilling scene. the whole movie was really good but dark and depressing like schidlers list.
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Bo-Den has a somewhat valid, if not poorly worded point.
The Israelis are, in fact, being hypocrits for the atrocities they've commited. Ariel Sharon's death squad is a prime example of this.
The Israelis are, in fact, being hypocrits for the atrocities they've commited. Ariel Sharon's death squad is a prime example of this.
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pharmguy said:
i disagree. arabs and palestinians are the not the same thing. arabs, assuming you mean saudis, have their own successful economy with their abundance of oil. israel does not have oil and thier ecomony is capricious.
arabs hate jews the same reason hitler hated jews. because they hate jews period.
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Specious statement at best.
Hitler's hate for jews arose out of the bank run the jews did in germany after WWI, thus bankrupting the country.
Hitler's hate for jews arose out of the bank run the jews did in germany after WWI, thus bankrupting the country.
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Funny how you juicers advocate a wall between Mexico & the US. Then you'd cry about being a twig, and the unavailability of juice. What a joke..
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I don't use mexican gear.
Not sure how this is valid.
Not sure how this is valid.
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glennds
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code brush up on your history. this may or not be true but a contributing factor at best. german antisemitism was particularly virulent and traces back a thousand years to the jewish hating founder of the lutheran church.
over the centuries antisemitism has evolved from religious hatred to economic. antisemitism classicly rises in bad economic times.
p.s what does specious mean?
over the centuries antisemitism has evolved from religious hatred to economic. antisemitism classicly rises in bad economic times.
p.s what does specious mean?
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Specious means having the sound of truth, but not being entirely accurate.
EVERY culture, save for the freaking Mayans hate(d) the jews.
EVERY culture, save for the freaking Mayans hate(d) the jews.
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code if you are interested in reading about this topic buy a book called "hitler's willing executioners." this book was a nonfiction bestseller a few years back and went into the history of german antisemitism.
i can't remember the name of the author but if you do a search on amazon.com (or half.com) you will find it.
i can't remember the name of the author but if you do a search on amazon.com (or half.com) you will find it.
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I never said it was right.
Just said that pretty much every culture/nation has had a beef with the jewish people.
All of this bitching, the jews were PAID in full. They got their own little nation, right where they wanted it.
When 6 million Palestinians die there won't be restitution, there won't be an outcry from the public.
Just said that pretty much every culture/nation has had a beef with the jewish people.
All of this bitching, the jews were PAID in full. They got their own little nation, right where they wanted it.
When 6 million Palestinians die there won't be restitution, there won't be an outcry from the public.
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The Nature Boy said:
haha,
Thats bullshit.
first off, the jews were ther before the palsestinains.
secondly, Do you think that the arab extremists only beef with america isthat the US supports Israel? You are crazy if you do, and if that is the case, then by caving to their demands, we are subjecting ourselves to the arabs will for further demands under the threat of terrorism
glennds
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chances are the jews will not systematically round up and kill 6 million palestinians. they will not tear them our of their homes, shove them in a ghetto, ship them off to a concentration camp and gas them to death.
paid in full how? giving them back their dead parents and children?
paid in full how? giving them back their dead parents and children?
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the jews were there before the palestinians then lost the land
just like the american indians
just like the australian aborigines
just like any of a thousand other land ownership transitions
i used to own a house on the other side of town. i sold it. does taht mean my children or grandchildren can go back there and claim it because its family land?
please. at the end of the day the palestinians are being RIPPED OFF royally by the Israelis and the Americans, who then manipulate the media to make it look like its the right thing to do
its dirty dog low. always was, always will be. thats why elements of the israeli army refuse to do it anymore, by way of concience.
all you palestinian haters get a clue. they blow people up because their hands are tied and tahts all they can do. their actions are condemned in the west because despite all the $$$$$ in their military arsenal they cant effectively fight against this
all power to the palestinians, i hope they get their land back. THEIR LAND.
everyone deserves a fair go, and these guys havnt got one
screw all you fat kids behind your keyboards in the USA where life is great. go buy an airline ticket and see for yourself before you trash talk about desperate people
that being said i ahve no problem with most israelis or americans...just the ones perpetrating this injustice
cheers all
just like the american indians
just like the australian aborigines
just like any of a thousand other land ownership transitions
i used to own a house on the other side of town. i sold it. does taht mean my children or grandchildren can go back there and claim it because its family land?
please. at the end of the day the palestinians are being RIPPED OFF royally by the Israelis and the Americans, who then manipulate the media to make it look like its the right thing to do
its dirty dog low. always was, always will be. thats why elements of the israeli army refuse to do it anymore, by way of concience.
all you palestinian haters get a clue. they blow people up because their hands are tied and tahts all they can do. their actions are condemned in the west because despite all the $$$$$ in their military arsenal they cant effectively fight against this
all power to the palestinians, i hope they get their land back. THEIR LAND.
everyone deserves a fair go, and these guys havnt got one
screw all you fat kids behind your keyboards in the USA where life is great. go buy an airline ticket and see for yourself before you trash talk about desperate people
that being said i ahve no problem with most israelis or americans...just the ones perpetrating this injustice
cheers all
Why is it that the Jewish doctors save Iraqi babies with open heart surgery and do the same for the Palestinians as well as give them jobs yet they are persecuted? Really, do you see Jewish teenagers running into a Palestinian camp screaming God is great as he pulls the trip wire to a homemade bomb strapped to his chest so his family can get a check for 25,000 dollars US like the Palestinians get?
They should not only build the wall, but arrest, detain or shoot anyone who illegally attempts to bypass it, which I am sure they will do.
It is a shame that you have to build a wall to keep your neighbor out just to be safe.
They should not only build the wall, but arrest, detain or shoot anyone who illegally attempts to bypass it, which I am sure they will do.
It is a shame that you have to build a wall to keep your neighbor out just to be safe.
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chesty said:
right i see. destroy your neigbors economy and means of supposting themselves, steal their land, kill their kids, take over their houses, ruin their education by killing notable citizens and trashing schools, or hindering their ability to get to school, then give them a job as a cleaner or some other menial work. whats to be upset about? the ungrateful bastards. go to ebay mate and have a look around for a clue. or a history book. you choose.
chesty said:
no, it takes a few years to train isreali teenagers into helicopter pilots so they can use rockets and missiles to blow the opposition up. also, they dont get a suicide payment of $25000 they get an army allowance, or a wage if they are professional soldiers which is a tad in excess of 25 grand, and killing yourself isnt a requirement. its a job that keeps on giving.
of course not all those teenagers get to fly planes, some get to drive armoured bulldozers. if not, well they get to patrol in armoured troop carriers with machine guns mounted on top.
chesty said:
why?
chesty said:
riiiiiight. your neigbor. so thats what you call them.
can i ask you, in all your vaunted knowledge, why do you think that isrealis are unsafe? and dont answer with "because suicide bombers want to blow them up" give me the root cause.
glennds said:
But the jews in Isreal have ALREADY done this. The friggin west Bank and the Gaza Strip are the jew's personal Warsaw and Krakow ghettos. The palastinians living there came from where........? Isreal proper. They were inded torn from their homes and put into camps. Perhaps not systematically executed but certainly there is a pattern of racial genocide going on at the hands of the Isrealis.
And do not forget there were tens of millions killed in WWII. Not just the Jews. But only the Jews perpetuate the guilt. Why? so that their horrible behavior is some how "excused" because they are the "victim".
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TheOak01 said:
debatable. its a simple, brutal analogy, but still.
Hengst said:
Neither side could really be called "at fault" anymore. It helps to look at this whole thing with some regard for history, and less hyperbole or drama.
Jews didnt create Israel - the US and UK did. These countries didn't want the Jews to come to them. Most US Jews hated FDR during the war and Truman used "Israel" to pacify them.
Much of the now disputed territory was seized after Israel was invaded. If Mexico invaded the US and we fought them off, then took and extra 100 miles of their country to make subsequent attacks more difficult, few Americans would object, certainly, we'd feel no sympathy for the dispalced Mexcians. Thus, objections here are a little bit misguided.
The Jews's victimhood during WW2 is unique for a few reasons. Chief among them, it was the culmination of a 1600 year religious problem - the roots of the Holocaust are in the Roman empire. (I strongly recommend "Constantine's Sword" - this book addresses this and many other issues and is very well written.)
Hitler's Final Solution" was a religious expression - the solution to emperor Constantine's "Jewish problem".
Religious killings are certainly not unique, but Christians had stopped doing it a long time ago...or so we thought.
Additionally, Germany was invovled in an "all - fronts" war and was actively diverting resurces from the fronts to accelerate the genocide. Genocide during war without any positive imapct on the war is near unique in history. Germany could have won the war if they were pro-Jewish (or even netural) as they would have probably had the first atomic bomb.
The slaughter of millions of Russians, etc is not exactly analogous, are they?
Finally, to gain a clear picture of the Middle eastern conflict, we must look at other parties invovled. Both Jordan and Syria killed Palestinaisn by the thousands when they attempted to take land from those countries for their own "state". Egyptian protestors were killed by the Egyptian army whenthey protested against Egypt's ignorance of the Palestinian situation.
Israel is brutal, but then again it is a war zone. In assessing their brutality, it is important to remember that more Palestinains have died of car accidents than at Israeli military hands.
The only way this issue can ever be resoveld is when the nations other than Israel embrace representative government and abandon their monarchy/theocracy. The Bush amdinsitration gets that, and our troop presence in the region is intended to signal that the days of Arab/Muslim monarchy is coming to an end.
Otherwise all the talks of concessions etc are horseshit.
Oh the horror. I am about to agree with something Matt wrote 
... ok... here goes...
Quite right, the essence of the problem could be easily fixed by any one of five Arab countries that are more than capable of not only providing land and shelter to the entire Palestinian population, but more able to fund it entirely.
One small problem: they won't even consider it. Nobody wants the palestinians, not even the Bathists in Syria who are currently the closest thing the Palestinians have to 'friends' will help out with anything other than fuel for the fire of hatred. Syria actively destroyed refugee camps after they force repatriated hordes of Palestinians after the 'blood bath' of 1948 never happened, and then promptly shut their borders.
Arab countries, even those that proport to be democracies (er.. bullshit), only hate Israel a little more than Palestinians and then only a little more than each other, which is barely more than they seem to despise there own people.
Arabs helping arabs? not likely. The only uniting factor in the mid east is the arab governments desperate propaganda campaigns that exist solely to get their own poeple to HATE the west and hate isreal, which is absolutely nessasary for these governments to retain control of their own huddled masses.
If there werent the two big easy targets right next door (those being Israel and, by proxy, The U.S.) to blame everything on, arabs on the whole might notice that they live in shit, have no rights and are totally subjugated by the cream of among the wealthiest countries in the world (Their OWN!). A perfect recipe for overthrow of insular, oppressive monarchies, no? So in effect, its good to distract their own dangerously oppressed populations into hating Israel as a full time job... then maybe they wont turn their undivided attention on their own governments....
... ok... here goes...Quite right, the essence of the problem could be easily fixed by any one of five Arab countries that are more than capable of not only providing land and shelter to the entire Palestinian population, but more able to fund it entirely.
One small problem: they won't even consider it. Nobody wants the palestinians, not even the Bathists in Syria who are currently the closest thing the Palestinians have to 'friends' will help out with anything other than fuel for the fire of hatred. Syria actively destroyed refugee camps after they force repatriated hordes of Palestinians after the 'blood bath' of 1948 never happened, and then promptly shut their borders.
Arab countries, even those that proport to be democracies (er.. bullshit), only hate Israel a little more than Palestinians and then only a little more than each other, which is barely more than they seem to despise there own people.
Arabs helping arabs? not likely. The only uniting factor in the mid east is the arab governments desperate propaganda campaigns that exist solely to get their own poeple to HATE the west and hate isreal, which is absolutely nessasary for these governments to retain control of their own huddled masses.
If there werent the two big easy targets right next door (those being Israel and, by proxy, The U.S.) to blame everything on, arabs on the whole might notice that they live in shit, have no rights and are totally subjugated by the cream of among the wealthiest countries in the world (Their OWN!). A perfect recipe for overthrow of insular, oppressive monarchies, no? So in effect, its good to distract their own dangerously oppressed populations into hating Israel as a full time job... then maybe they wont turn their undivided attention on their own governments....
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My keyboard is burning!
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GoldenDelicious said:
The Palestinans wre not there by the way before the jews, This is a great myth. The BRITISH were there. The BRITISH patitioned the land into jewish and palestinain areas. Also at that time, Most "palestinians" were actually in JORDAN. JORDAn threw them out because they did not want to deal with them either. But noone ever remembers that part about Jordan. So it was british, not plasetinain. And Palestinain is as much a nationality as New Engalnd is a sate.
glennds
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in that book i mentioned earlier, "hitler's willing executioners" the author made an interesing analogy. he compared the dislike of jews to the dislike of child molestors.
in most societies child molestors are considered evil and social outcasts. this is an accepted belief. in germany at the beginning of hitler's rise to power this was a belief he exploited.
some of these scary posts indicate this belief is still alive and well.
in most societies child molestors are considered evil and social outcasts. this is an accepted belief. in germany at the beginning of hitler's rise to power this was a belief he exploited.
some of these scary posts indicate this belief is still alive and well.
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Russia and the Belin wall... BAD Bastards how could they!!
Isreal and their wall... Good idea, you're the best... way to go!
Isreal and their wall... Good idea, you're the best... way to go!
[email][email protected][/email] said:
If you don't understand the differences between the political climate of north-cnetral europe and the middle east, you're a simpleton.
Shall we assume you were just being silly? Or are you really that uninformed?
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Just being silly mostly. But in my opinion if both sides of that rash were eliminated from the face of the earth I would not lose a grain of sleep.
Israel was given to them in 47. Who the hell was the UN to partition someone else’s country? If they were that motivated to do that, they should have given up some of their own land. That's the first issue.
The second issue is they both are religious fanatics.
Palestine has been forced to use the only means necessary. Israel has been forced to do what it needs to protect itself.
Boys can’t we all just get along? It’s not as stupid as two countries nuking each other over a strip of mountains, but really.
I guess I am ignorant. Because I can’t see the logic over killing your neighbor over land that you can BOTH use if you just put your differences aside.
Last, I never take the word of an Israeli or a Palestine on this argument. You want to talk about rhetoric and a one sided line of reasoning? It’s almost as bad as hearing the bible thumpers on the train trying to “save” everyone who is riding to Manhattan.
Israel was given to them in 47. Who the hell was the UN to partition someone else’s country? If they were that motivated to do that, they should have given up some of their own land. That's the first issue.
The second issue is they both are religious fanatics.
Palestine has been forced to use the only means necessary. Israel has been forced to do what it needs to protect itself.
Boys can’t we all just get along? It’s not as stupid as two countries nuking each other over a strip of mountains, but really.
I guess I am ignorant. Because I can’t see the logic over killing your neighbor over land that you can BOTH use if you just put your differences aside.
Last, I never take the word of an Israeli or a Palestine on this argument. You want to talk about rhetoric and a one sided line of reasoning? It’s almost as bad as hearing the bible thumpers on the train trying to “save” everyone who is riding to Manhattan.
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Then there will be no peace since neither side will make the first move. Another indication of "unreasonable" and "fanatical".
pharmguy said:
I don't know why we would feel unsafe. Maybe it is because there are dickheads in the world that don't like us? I couldn't tell you why kids twice my age routinely beat me up when I was little, calling me kike, jew boy, etc.
At the time I didn't even know what the hell they were talking about.
I couldn't tell you why they would pin me to the ground hold my eyes open and make me stare at the sun or attacked me while walking home.
I have white skin (well tanned though), I have black hair, brown eyes, speak english, work for a living, etc. I can't tell you why.
Why did a country incinerate, mutilate, experiment on, rape, murder, torture, use for profit and entire race, just because of who they were?
Why do the middle east people like Palestinians, Iranians, Syrians, etc hate the Jewish race? I couldn't tell you. That hatred existed long before the Jewish people settled in what is now Israel.
Don't forgive me for not agreeing with the so called facts that it is the Israeli's fault for the violence. It is no more there fault than it was there fault during world war two and the holocaust that almost exinct an entire race.
At the time I didn't even know what the hell they were talking about.
I couldn't tell you why they would pin me to the ground hold my eyes open and make me stare at the sun or attacked me while walking home.
I have white skin (well tanned though), I have black hair, brown eyes, speak english, work for a living, etc. I can't tell you why.
Why did a country incinerate, mutilate, experiment on, rape, murder, torture, use for profit and entire race, just because of who they were?
Why do the middle east people like Palestinians, Iranians, Syrians, etc hate the Jewish race? I couldn't tell you. That hatred existed long before the Jewish people settled in what is now Israel.
Don't forgive me for not agreeing with the so called facts that it is the Israeli's fault for the violence. It is no more there fault than it was there fault during world war two and the holocaust that almost exinct an entire race.
Jews are not a race.
At all.
I can become a Jew tromorrw - I can't become black or Asian.
(Though I am black friom the waist down - that's another matter).
Anyway, Buddhism is not a subset of Hinduism. They are different like tacos and water buffalo aredifferent.
Buddhism has subsets called Mahayana and Theravada.
At all.
I can become a Jew tromorrw - I can't become black or Asian.
(Though I am black friom the waist down - that's another matter).
Anyway, Buddhism is not a subset of Hinduism. They are different like tacos and water buffalo aredifferent.
Buddhism has subsets called Mahayana and Theravada.
glennds
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matt you are mistaken about your mistaken about jews not being a race, although judiasm IS a religion.
i still think buddhism is a part of the hindu religion, which includes most asian countries. i will do some research online. i remember learning this in a college course but admittedly it was many years ago. maybe one of the other board members can answer this.
i still think buddhism is a part of the hindu religion, which includes most asian countries. i will do some research online. i remember learning this in a college course but admittedly it was many years ago. maybe one of the other board members can answer this.
GoldenDelicious
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kunta said:jewish is a race?
actually this is an interesting point. i read somewhere about some guys doing mitochondrial DNA comparisons between supposed distinct races and when they compared palestinians and jews, there werent any differences. the rest of the story goes that the jews freaked out and demanded that the research be thrown out
youd have to be brave to publish that sort of stuff but then again, the whole story could be bullshit propaganda
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pharmguy said:
well to use the Jews own use of the bible as justification for what they are doing (ie God gave us the land of Canaan for our own blah blah) then modern Israel was once palestine
Israels image as a land grabbing bully is well deserved, and the rest of my points are perfectly valid. Israels actions are multi faceted to deny the palestinians the land that they should have, by right. Regardless of British "ownership" the palestinians were still there first and Britain and teh UN did not have the moral right to "give" the land to the israelis
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spongebob said:
yes well OK i respect your opinion, but still, if thats the attitude people ahve about the israelis then its only fair they have the same about the palestinians
"whatever it takes" fits the tactics of the suicide bombers quite well, thanks
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GoldenDelicious said:
interesting. it wouldn't be too hard to do that study again.
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Hindu is a way of life. It was only deemed a religion when the British took over India. It was how everyone lived their lives, but has since evolved into different forms of a religion. Buddhism is somewhat based on Hinduism as Buddha was a Hindu (Indian). Of course he combined parts of his way of life with his religion.
Both Hinduism and Buddhism are greatly misunderstood, and both are practiced much differently than they were quite some time ago. Especially in the case of Buddhism which has adopted traditions, such as belief in gods, which Buddha strictly was against in the first place. These differences vary from region to region as well.
Anyway, back to the topic of the wall. It's a fucking disgrace. That whole situation is a disgrace driven by hate and self interest. Suicide bombers and civilian murdering Israeli soldiers are equally culpable. The excuse that terrorism is ok because Palestinians don't have a military is not applicable at all. It would be one thing if the suicide bombers were attacking solely military targets, but they're not. They're targeting predominantly civilian centers. Israel cannot excuse its murder of Palestinian civilians either. The construction of the wall is most definitely a racist act which affects many more innocent Palestinian civilians than terrorists.
Would we be so willing to accept a wall built around crime ridden American ghettos because crime and drugs spill out of those places into the surrounding areas? No, of course not. That would be discriminating against all blacks/hispanics/insert other minority who live in that area. Yes, terrorism is a problem that must be remedied, but targeting all Palestinians just feeds the problem. It gives the radical leaders more propaganda to feed to the impressionable youth that are wondering why they have to cross a wall to go to school.
Both Hinduism and Buddhism are greatly misunderstood, and both are practiced much differently than they were quite some time ago. Especially in the case of Buddhism which has adopted traditions, such as belief in gods, which Buddha strictly was against in the first place. These differences vary from region to region as well.
Anyway, back to the topic of the wall. It's a fucking disgrace. That whole situation is a disgrace driven by hate and self interest. Suicide bombers and civilian murdering Israeli soldiers are equally culpable. The excuse that terrorism is ok because Palestinians don't have a military is not applicable at all. It would be one thing if the suicide bombers were attacking solely military targets, but they're not. They're targeting predominantly civilian centers. Israel cannot excuse its murder of Palestinian civilians either. The construction of the wall is most definitely a racist act which affects many more innocent Palestinian civilians than terrorists.
Would we be so willing to accept a wall built around crime ridden American ghettos because crime and drugs spill out of those places into the surrounding areas? No, of course not. That would be discriminating against all blacks/hispanics/insert other minority who live in that area. Yes, terrorism is a problem that must be remedied, but targeting all Palestinians just feeds the problem. It gives the radical leaders more propaganda to feed to the impressionable youth that are wondering why they have to cross a wall to go to school.
pharmguy
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Israel, should and will continue to exist. There are how many arab countries? how many chirstian countries? (The US IS a Christian country), Buddhist, Hindu, and many Islamic. 1 sliver of land is not asking much. Israel should not have to continue to justify its existence. They have been graciuos enough. Palestine was a british mandate made of Jews and arabs, they were all thus "palestinains". Those who got on board with the new state became Israelis. For years The arab Israelis, or "palestinains" lived in peace and prosperity under Jewish rule. Only until the late 80's when they decided to fight the settlement policy with bombs was there a problem. And the palestinains were not settling that land, so why shoouldn't the Jews? It was desert. The jews once again made something from nothing, and the palestinain arabs decided it should be theirs. They have not only bombed innocent civilians, they have bombed themselves into poverty. Had they decided to peacefully protest the problem, they might have a claim, but the way they handled their gripes, no one cares what happens to them.They have acted like animals, and they are treated as such. Do you think that were the palestinains in the positions that the Jews are in now in Israel, that the Jews would recieve anywhere near as fair a bargain?NO, it would have never got this far, they would have been gassed like the kurds or worse. So give them some credit.
DeepZenPill
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ah, so much racist parochial rambling on this thread.
I was raised as a jew and its totally uniformed rants like yours that make jews look not only stupid but racist. Zionism IS racism. Pure and simple, we might have had a chance at asserting a 'right' to SHARING that land in 1948, but we have displaced these people because the general concensus by the European jews, the christian brits and christian americans at that time was that arabs were shit and had no rights... oops... the same attitude that we have today!
Only until the late 80's when they decided to fight the settlement policy with bombs was there a problem.
Emotion is good. Knowing your history would be better... THE LATE '80s??? How the fuck did you erase the murder of the Israeli olympic team by PLO members in 1972? Or Yassar the Muderers goons blowing up airliners? Or the massacre of palestinian women and children by Sharon and his goons in 1982 at Sabra and Shatilla?
Look, the PLO and all its ghoulish offspring are murderers and criminals and Yassar Arafat belongs in prison or better yet, swinging from a rope... RIGHT NEXT TO ARIEL SHARON! If there was a hell, which there isnt, they would both have places reserved for eternity in the torments of doom.
It was desert. The jews once again made something from nothing, and the palestinain arabs decided it should be theirs.
No one with the smallest clue thinks that to be in same fucking time zone as correct. Ben Gurion and Golda Meir (whom I met, and my folks knew) both thought of all arabs as fast breeding rats and said on more than one public occasion that the arab 'problem' had to be decicively dealt with... It was Menachem Begin and the early Haganna that helped in the systematic expulsion of Palestinians from their towns, the bulldozing of those towns, and the plowing under of their farms... so that the 'new land' could be used by israelis....
And the palestinains were not settling that land, so why shoouldn't the Jews?
No, quite right, they weren't 'settling' the land... because they had lived there for a THOUSAND YEARS. We stole it from them, thats fact.
They have not only bombed innocent civilians,
You got that right, you should have said that and nothing else. Thats enough! They target restaurants and places of worship and kids school buses and playgrounds... the purps of those kind of murders are lowest form of human garbage, and should be shit upon by the entire world comunity except for one thing.... ISRAELI GOVERNMENTS KEEP DOING STUPID SHIT!!
For fucks sake, anyone in that region of the world ever hear of Gandi?!?!?
they have bombed themselves into poverty.
That is pure fantasy. Not even the members of my family that live in Israel think that. The israeli government has a systematic policy of destroying any enterprise that supports 'terrorism' Which means: ANY ARAB OWNED BUSINESS. Like, for instance, tearing up Olive groves that support whole neighborhoods as their ONLY means of making a living, turning off water and electricity to whole towns for weeks on end, etc. etc etc
Ever try and run a business, and I mean ANY business without electricity? or water? or the legal right or means to pave the fucking roads?
Responsible for their own poverty? Pure Bullshit.
Israel, should and will continue to exist.
Oh, nice. Of course it should exist, as an ARAB/JEWISH state. Continue? of course, who is going to change THAT with nukes and the best trained army in the world with their fingers on the trigger?
The bottom line is that religion, ALL religion, is a cancer on the human race. You want to live the lifestyle of your choice? fine.
But tell me I have to live it? or exclude others because they are different? or use it as a way of killing your geographical/economic rivals? No fucking way.
Muslims, Jews and Christians are destined to create death and sorrow worldwide for as long as people define themselves as such.
You should define yourself by how you contribute to peace, to health, to safety, not by some book written by a priestly class looking to subjugate the masses for personal gain, which is what all these religions became and what all these religions started out trying to prevent.
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[email protected]
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You seem to be familiar with Israeli affairs from the 60-80s. Can you verify (the best you can) and explain the issue with Golda Meir and the Samson option. With her ordering jets carrying nukes to drop on all the Arab major cities if and when Israel fell during the war? This includes Arab states that had nothing to do with their war.
Or is this just history propaganda?
Or is this just history propaganda?
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pharmguy
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ChefWide said:
I am not a zionists bud! And yes there have been problems with the palestinains, but they hit a new level in the late 80's.
But tell me I have to live it? or exclude others because they are different? or use it as a way of killing your geographical/economic rivals? No fucking way.
I'm not telling you you have to do anything, if you want to stick your head in the sand in sing "we are the world" go ahead with that fantasy. Israel's existence insures there will be no 2nd holocaust.
[email][email protected][/email] said:
Forget the past worries about Samson, worrie about NOW:
This is from just before Dubyas Hoedown in the Desert,
As Israel's most respected military affairs commentator, Ze'ev Schiff, has put it: "If Iraq strikes at Israel with non-conventional warheads, causing massive casualties among the civil population, Israel could respond with a nuclear retaliation that would eradicate Iraq as a country."
I think that puts Seymour Hersh's presumptions in "The Samson Option" into more current context, dont you?
Here is a great post I read the other day....
During the Cold War of the sixties, the only thing stopping American or Russian psychopaths from taking over the entire world was the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction [MAD], where a multiple ICBM launch by America on Russia or vice versa, would automatically lead to a “doomsday” response by the nation under attack. Mutual destruction of both America and Russia was thereby guaranteed, resulting in nearly thirty years of unprecedented peace and quiet, caused solely by mutual nuclear fear.
About one month ago, Russia discreetly invoked MAD again, but this time in the Middle East in direct response to hysterical Israeli threats to nuke Iran with submarine-launched American Harpoon missiles. Quietly and with the minimum of fuss, Russia deployed its most advanced tactical nuclear missiles and crews to both Syria and Iran, thereby sending an unmistakable diplomatic signal that if Israel attacked Tehran or Damascus with nuclear weapons, Russia would in return instantly and anonymously vaporize the Jewish State.
This is not an idle or exaggerated threat. The Russian missile type deployed in Syria and Iran is the P270 Moskit [Mosquito], known in NATO circles as the SS-N-22 "Sunburn," once described by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher as "the most dangerous anti-ship missile in the Russian, and now the Chinese, fleet.” The ship borne version of this missile is launched from deck mounted quad tubes, but since Rohrabacher made his comments, Russia has adapted the Sunburn for submerged launch from submarines, air launch from Sukhoi 27s, and single surface launch from modified 40’ flatbed trucks. Nowadays, western defense experts unambiguously view all versions of Sunburn as the “most dangerous missiles in the world.”
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Worst of all for the Zionists left alive in Washington and New York, is that if the Russians are obliged to launch their counter-strike against Israel, it will be one-hundred-percent deniable. Unlike Israel and its public threats to nuke Iran, Russia has not threatened anyone at all. Because Sunburn flies below the horizon it cannot be detected or logged by radar, and a 200-kiloton hole in the middle of Tel Aviv will yield no clues. Very likely the Russians will copy the Americans, and blame a fictional “rogue state” like Iran, Pakistan or North Korea.
-- Joe Vialls
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