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Cardio while bulking-yes or no?
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Nathan
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Some light cardio is good for you. It will help you keep a healthy heart. In terms of growing, it can help at a relaxed pace. It will get blood flowing. If you are bulking then just eat a bit more depending on how much cardio you are doing. You should do some form of cardio though no matter who you are. Especially when you throw in all the drugs we all use.
I agree with Nathans point. I personally try to do cardio 3 times per week. 20minutes session of straight interval, usually on the treadmill. When cutting of course I raise the volume considerably.
I find doing just this little bit of cardio keeps my stamina up and bf down. When I do not do cardio I can barely keep up with my kids, as I become much more easily winded.
I find doing just this little bit of cardio keeps my stamina up and bf down. When I do not do cardio I can barely keep up with my kids, as I become much more easily winded.
strong island
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I personally would leave it out if you are bulking. You need those calories to GROW. I think hard core weight traing 5 times a week is the best thing to keep your HR up while bulking. As long as your diet is "decent" the bf shouldn't get out of hand. Then when its time to get shredded..hit the cardio hard.
riskybizz007
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I agree w/ light cardio... keeps the excess fat off and actually helps w/ the weights as far as stamina goes.
Keep up the cardio
But watch your heart rate........keep it in the low 140's get onto that 60% to 75% HR
That's more important than doing or not diong cardio for a mass program
Also it keep ya in the swing of things when your ready to trim down...........if u stop cardio and put on some pounds an the want to trim down..........wo no cardio for 8 weeks add 20 lbs and then start cardio, get the fibulator ready........LOL
good luck
But watch your heart rate........keep it in the low 140's get onto that 60% to 75% HR
That's more important than doing or not diong cardio for a mass program
Also it keep ya in the swing of things when your ready to trim down...........if u stop cardio and put on some pounds an the want to trim down..........wo no cardio for 8 weeks add 20 lbs and then start cardio, get the fibulator ready........LOL
good luck
Pineapple Devil
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i'd keep up the cardio. the heart is the most important muscle of all.
Baby Gorilla
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I'd say yes....
...but I'm no expert.
I have "fast twitch" muscle. I get ripped and put mass on slow. So, the cardio for me is good because it shows me off and really doesn't inhibit mass gain.
That's not so for everyone.
...but I'm no expert.
I have "fast twitch" muscle. I get ripped and put mass on slow. So, the cardio for me is good because it shows me off and really doesn't inhibit mass gain.
That's not so for everyone.
Pineapple Devil said:
Sooooo.... You're HR does not elevate when you do weights?
Doing cardio to "keep fat off" while "trying to get as big as possible" is kind of like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer because it feels so good when you stop.
Is cardio important? Yes.. But "no cardio= un-healthy" is for sedentary folks.. IMO weight training is sufficient cardio as far as health reasons go. You may never run a four minute mile if you rely on weights as your sole means of exercise, but then again, we all have different goals.
You should NOT do cardio on a mass cycle to "keep fat off." THis is really funny to me.. Guys will do cardio and then eat 5000 cals/day... If you are concerned with getting fat on a cycle, don't eat so damn much.
Andy
str8cubano
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when im bulking usually i say fuk it but past experiences has shown me that cardio is good...if you don't want a gut...Light cardio like the other bro's said is a good idea
strong island
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Andy13 said:
I agree...personally when I workout, my heart rate is over 130 for over an hour.
If your main objective is "to get as big as possible" than you should leave it out and eat decently.
But if you want to do cardio twice a week than fuck it. Throw it in. Just ride the bike next to the hot chick.
Whats your goal g-dogg....330
riskybizz007
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There is a big difference b/w lifting and cardio and your HR. Cardio is prolonged increased HR, versus weights HR doesn't go up as high and doesn't last as long. I like to be heart healthy, and if that means 20min. of cardio a few times a week that's fine w/ me, I just go light w/ the cardio.
True you can lose a ton of weight and do no cardio, and gain a ton of weight adn do cardio, what matters is calories. Even if you eat clean we all know what happens to the excess. So eating clean or eating not clean will make little difference. So just for the sake of health I do the cardio, one added plus is I feel a lot better afterwards and more stamina when i hit the weights again.
True you can lose a ton of weight and do no cardio, and gain a ton of weight adn do cardio, what matters is calories. Even if you eat clean we all know what happens to the excess. So eating clean or eating not clean will make little difference. So just for the sake of health I do the cardio, one added plus is I feel a lot better afterwards and more stamina when i hit the weights again.
Baby Gorilla
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Yes and no....
Your heart rate does go up when you do weights. Some feel that is enough cardio, but I see it this way....
If you have interuptions, your heart rate goes in and out of the training zone you want to be in. Inconsistency = no results.
So, doing at least 20 minutes on a cross trainer to keep your heart rate in the desired zone is good for you even if your weight routine already gave you that benefit.
Andy13 said:
Your heart rate does go up when you do weights. Some feel that is enough cardio, but I see it this way....
If you have interuptions, your heart rate goes in and out of the training zone you want to be in. Inconsistency = no results.
So, doing at least 20 minutes on a cross trainer to keep your heart rate in the desired zone is good for you even if your weight routine already gave you that benefit.
strong island
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Like I said..."personally"
Everyone is different. My heartrate does not fluctuate out of the fat burning zone while I weight train...but it does fluctuate.
Not a big deal...its a personal choice.
For the first time I bulked and cut without cardio and I am around 6% bf. I don't think I can get it lower without additional cardio though.
I think Tren has helped A LOT. That is some powerful shiznit.
Everyone is different. My heartrate does not fluctuate out of the fat burning zone while I weight train...but it does fluctuate.
Not a big deal...its a personal choice.
For the first time I bulked and cut without cardio and I am around 6% bf. I don't think I can get it lower without additional cardio though.
I think Tren has helped A LOT. That is some powerful shiznit.
serge
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Ok, so why bother eating clean? according to you calories are calories and the excess will be stored regardless right? so why dont we all just eat donuts and chocolate, bulking or dieting, just make sure that we keep our calories in check......you know take in less then burning out therefore ending up with negetive energy accumilation and we will all be ripped and wont have to deprive our selves of forbiden foods...........
Ok, lets wake up, the fat-asses try it all the time, and they end up staying fat while living off of one milkey-way per day
1Banshee said:
I dont do it, but 1Banshee's suggestions is good. Just make sure you eat those cals back that you burn, and maybe a few more so you can grow. It will help to keep some fat off if yo udo it in the morning on an empty stomach, but do MILD intensity, otherwise you will tend to favor catabolism, and it may be hard on the joints at a bulking weight, I know running is for me when at 222 and bulking
NFG
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Oh, come on, serge.. YOu off all people should know better.. Forget about the biology behind your cells 'not knowing the difference between sugar from white rice and sugar from a snickers..'
What's the first law of thermodynamics? (I must pause here.. I'm still quite amazed that you have let the media sway your logic away from solid science to the myths that surround bbing)
Here's a short version..
1) your body's cells cannot tell the difference between sugar from apples and rice and sugars from candy bars.
2) calories in = calories out!!!! If you eat 2000 cals/day and burn 3000cals. YOu WILL lose weight! IT's that simple. IT does not matter what you have eaten-- rice and chicken or skittles and beef... 2000 cals is 2000cals..
Lastly.. YOu show me someone who can't get as skinny as he wants to be eating ONE SNICKERS bar a day, and I'll show you a unicorn. This is not what makes fat people fat.. Fat people are fat because they eat too damn many calories. Fat people don't want to believe that it's that simple to lose weight- eat less than you burn. They WANT fat loss to be this complex thing that requires a degree in physics to be succesful at. They WISH they had thyroid problems or just a plain "slow metabolism." WHy? so they can have an excuse for why they've failed every diet they have been on and remained fat all of their lives. No, no, no, no, nooooooooo Fat people have the same (or greater) basal metabolic rates than everyone else. They also have normal thyroid function.. So, why are they fat? Because obesity is not a physical disease, rather, a psychological one.
Andy
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serge
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Andy13 said:
ok, here it is, i am not disputing that you will loose weight if you simply reduce your caloric intake below maintanance.......OBVIOUSLY , but what kind of weight are you going to loose??? me personally, im only interested in loosing body fat, sub-cue water, i sure as hell dont want to loose any muscle that i have been busting my ass for past 8 years to accumilate. so what im saying is, by simply reducing your caloric intake you will just turn into a smaller version of your previous FAT self (assuming you are fat to start with)
I used to buy into "all calories are the same" philosophy but lately I'm learning it isn't so true. Many other factors play a role in body composition even with identical caloric intakes. There are plenties of studies out there that prove many of these theories to be true. A higher protein diet with the same caloric intake of a lower protein diet actually nets less useable calories due to the thermic effect of food. This is partially why high protein diets seem to work better while dieting.
Different fats play a huge role in weight loss. Fish oils and other EFAs have been shown to produce positive body composition changes in comparison to an identical fat intake of unhealthy saturated fats. If these calories were all the same then there would be no change.
Of course you can't cheat the law of thermodynamics, however there is more to it than meets the eye. Mixing different ratios of macronutrients, and types of macronutrients can have different outcomes on body composition even if caloric intake is identical. Why? Because our body treats foods differently even if they have the same energy values. Energy balance can't be cheated as I said, however when you intake certain foods it actually alters the net energy balance. EFA's are just that and so your body uses them for other purposes than just energy. Whereas saturated fats can only be used for one thing.. energy. If you don't burn it you wear it.
Now I don't buy into a lot of the insane type of diet restriction that others do, however I'm open minded enough to know there is a difference. If you were to eat exactly 3000 calories of Snicker's bars for your diet, and I was to eat a balanced diet containing lean protein, healthy EFA's and low glycemic carbs at the same caloric level I guarantee you I will come out ahead. That of course assume we have the same genetics and potential.
Now the difference may not be earth shattering, but it would be there. And if you look at that over the long term then eventually the healthier diet would pull ahead of the other. I don't know about you but I AM in this for the long term so it matters to me.
Bottom line is this: Thermodynamics no doubt plays the most important role in weight loss. However food choices plays a role in what type of weight is lost. Thermodynamics does not differentiate between fat and muscle so even though the basic rule of calories in vs calories out is undeniable, the type of weight lost or gained in this rule can be different. I guarantee if you bulked on nothing but candy bars while someone else bulked on the foods I listed above at identical caloric intakes, then there would be a definite body composition difference at the end of any given week. And the person eating candy bars wouldn't be the favorable one.
Someone else coined this term but it couldn't be more true. How much you eat determines how much you lose. What you eat determines what you lose. Same would be true for gaining weight.
Different fats play a huge role in weight loss. Fish oils and other EFAs have been shown to produce positive body composition changes in comparison to an identical fat intake of unhealthy saturated fats. If these calories were all the same then there would be no change.
Of course you can't cheat the law of thermodynamics, however there is more to it than meets the eye. Mixing different ratios of macronutrients, and types of macronutrients can have different outcomes on body composition even if caloric intake is identical. Why? Because our body treats foods differently even if they have the same energy values. Energy balance can't be cheated as I said, however when you intake certain foods it actually alters the net energy balance. EFA's are just that and so your body uses them for other purposes than just energy. Whereas saturated fats can only be used for one thing.. energy. If you don't burn it you wear it.
Now I don't buy into a lot of the insane type of diet restriction that others do, however I'm open minded enough to know there is a difference. If you were to eat exactly 3000 calories of Snicker's bars for your diet, and I was to eat a balanced diet containing lean protein, healthy EFA's and low glycemic carbs at the same caloric level I guarantee you I will come out ahead. That of course assume we have the same genetics and potential.
Now the difference may not be earth shattering, but it would be there. And if you look at that over the long term then eventually the healthier diet would pull ahead of the other. I don't know about you but I AM in this for the long term so it matters to me.
Bottom line is this: Thermodynamics no doubt plays the most important role in weight loss. However food choices plays a role in what type of weight is lost. Thermodynamics does not differentiate between fat and muscle so even though the basic rule of calories in vs calories out is undeniable, the type of weight lost or gained in this rule can be different. I guarantee if you bulked on nothing but candy bars while someone else bulked on the foods I listed above at identical caloric intakes, then there would be a definite body composition difference at the end of any given week. And the person eating candy bars wouldn't be the favorable one.
Someone else coined this term but it couldn't be more true. How much you eat determines how much you lose. What you eat determines what you lose. Same would be true for gaining weight.
strong island
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FYI...both Chris Aceto, Pavel T. and Charles Poliquin don't believe in cardio during bulking.
Actually I think Poliquin thinks cardio is a waste period.
Anyone read his diet book?
Actually I think Poliquin thinks cardio is a waste period.
Anyone read his diet book?
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riskybizz007
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I agree w/ Andy's post, and let me clarify in better detail what I was referring to b/c now it's getting out of control. I agree that yes you will lose weight eating 1 snickers a day, a calorie deficit will allow you to lose weight. Now we all know we can modify our diets in various ways to fit our goals, my bottom line in this whole thing was a calorie deficit will make u lose weight. Point and simple as that.
Now when I was referring to eating clean vs not, I was not referring to being able to scarf down donuts as your only food and gain muscle, nor eating saturated fats and accomplishing the same goal. That's ridiculous. I was referring to little cheats here and there, and maybe not the cleanest diet but still not as ridiculous as you make it either. You know for example you need a certain amount of protein, fat and carbs and manipulate them to suit your goals.
I would like to know however, how many people when bulking will eat brown rice over white rice, or not eat any rice or potatoes and just eat veggies. When I'm bulking I do want to enjoy my food, when I'm cutting it becomes a different story. I'm not saying to go eat pounds of lard or snicker bars all day, I'm just saying you might as well enjoy your food. And in the end of bulking, Andy is right, an excess of the calories (as I mentioned) can very well be stored as fat.
Now when I was referring to eating clean vs not, I was not referring to being able to scarf down donuts as your only food and gain muscle, nor eating saturated fats and accomplishing the same goal. That's ridiculous. I was referring to little cheats here and there, and maybe not the cleanest diet but still not as ridiculous as you make it either. You know for example you need a certain amount of protein, fat and carbs and manipulate them to suit your goals.
I would like to know however, how many people when bulking will eat brown rice over white rice, or not eat any rice or potatoes and just eat veggies. When I'm bulking I do want to enjoy my food, when I'm cutting it becomes a different story. I'm not saying to go eat pounds of lard or snicker bars all day, I'm just saying you might as well enjoy your food. And in the end of bulking, Andy is right, an excess of the calories (as I mentioned) can very well be stored as fat.
Vageta said:
THis is true.. I should clarify what I meant..
The best macro nutrient profile for mass is debatable. Carbs will do infinitely more for you on a cycle than fats...
Let's say that two guys eat the same type and amount of protein..
However, for carbs, one eats brown rice, while the other eats donuts. As long as both eat the same cals/day, both will gain (lose) the same amount of weight.
Andy
serge
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Andy13 said:
what about genetics? their reletive size? im assuming that those will have to be identical, because if you are simply saying that for a given caloric intake over maintanace one will gain the same amount of weight, then i totally disagree.
as for the snickers example, i had a pleasure of working with a girl who was about 5'4 and weight 170lb, all she consumed was one snickers bar per day, she did karatey training 5 days per week, and could not loose any weight, so i do think that there is a point where your body will go into starvation mode and start seriously reducing its metabolic rate
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