Cardio while bulking-yes or no?

[Baby Gorilla]

Yes and no....

Sooooo.... You're HR does not elevate when you do weights?

Your heart rate does go up when you do weights. Some feel that is enough cardio, but I see it this way....

If you have interuptions, your heart rate goes in and out of the training zone you want to be in. Inconsistency = no results.

So, doing at least 20 minutes on a cross trainer to keep your heart rate in the desired zone is good for you even if your weight routine already gave you that benefit.

 

[bpdaddy]

umm, NO unless your really eating out of conrol....Do people call you Big Bubba?

 

[strong island]

Like I said..."personally"

Everyone is different. My heartrate does not fluctuate out of the fat burning zone while I weight train...but it does fluctuate.

Not a big deal...its a personal choice.

For the first time I bulked and cut without cardio and I am around 6% bf. I don't think I can get it lower without additional cardio though.

I think Tren has helped A LOT. That is some powerful shiznit.

 

[onemind]

I have read that doing more than 20 mins of cardio can break down test so I do 10 min warm up 10 min cool down.

 

[Andy13]

True you can lose a ton of weight and do no cardio, and gain a ton of weight adn do cardio, what matters is calories. Even if you eat clean we all know what happens to the excess. So eating clean or eating not clean will make little difference.

I agree 100% with this.. WHy is it so hard for other people to believe this??

If you want to do cardio b/c there is a hot chick on the stairmaster, then fine... But a hot chick on the stair master is not enough to leur ME on the rat-mill..

Andy

 

[serge]

True you can lose a ton of weight and do no cardio, and gain a ton of weight adn do cardio, what matters is calories. Even if you eat clean we all know what happens to the excess. So eating clean or eating not clean will make little difference. So just for the sake of health I do the cardio, one added plus is I feel a lot better afterwards and more stamina when i hit the weights again. [/B]

Ok, so why bother eating clean? according to you calories are calories and the excess will be stored regardless right? so why dont we all just eat donuts and chocolate, bulking or dieting, just make sure that we keep our calories in check......you know take in less then burning out therefore ending up with negetive energy accumilation and we will all be ripped and wont have to deprive our selves of forbiden foods...........

Ok, lets wake up, the fat-asses try it all the time, and they end up staying fat while living off of one milkey-way per day

 

[NFG123]

I agree with Nathans point. I personally try to do cardio 3 times per week. 20minutes session of straight interval, usually on the treadmill. When cutting of course I raise the volume considerably.

I find doing just this little bit of cardio keeps my stamina up and bf down. When I do not do cardio I can barely keep up with my kids, as I become much more easily winded.

I dont do it, but 1Banshee's suggestions is good. Just make sure you eat those cals back that you burn, and maybe a few more so you can grow. It will help to keep some fat off if yo udo it in the morning on an empty stomach, but do MILD intensity, otherwise you will tend to favor catabolism, and it may be hard on the joints at a bulking weight, I know running is for me when at 222 and bulking

NFG

 

[Andy13]

Ok, so why bother eating clean? according to you calories are calories and the excess will be stored regardless right? so why dont we all just eat donuts and chocolate, bulking or dieting, just make sure that we keep our calories in check......you know take in less then burning out therefore ending up with negetive energy accumilation and we will all be ripped and wont have to deprive our selves of forbiden foods...........

Ok, lets wake up, the fat-asses try it all the time, and they end up staying fat while living off of one milkey-way per day

Oh, come on, serge.. YOu off all people should know better.. Forget about the biology behind your cells 'not knowing the difference between sugar from white rice and sugar from a snickers..'

What's the first law of thermodynamics? (I must pause here.. I'm still quite amazed that you have let the media sway your logic away from solid science to the myths that surround bbing)

Here's a short version..

1) your body's cells cannot tell the difference between sugar from apples and rice and sugars from candy bars.

2) calories in = calories out!!!! If you eat 2000 cals/day and burn 3000cals. YOu WILL lose weight! IT's that simple. IT does not matter what you have eaten-- rice and chicken or skittles and beef... 2000 cals is 2000cals..

Lastly.. YOu show me someone who can't get as skinny as he wants to be eating ONE SNICKERS bar a day, and I'll show you a unicorn. This is not what makes fat people fat.. Fat people are fat because they eat too damn many calories. Fat people don't want to believe that it's that simple to lose weight- eat less than you burn. They WANT fat loss to be this complex thing that requires a degree in physics to be succesful at. They WISH they had thyroid problems or just a plain "slow metabolism." WHy? so they can have an excuse for why they've failed every diet they have been on and remained fat all of their lives. No, no, no, no, nooooooooo Fat people have the same (or greater) basal metabolic rates than everyone else. They also have normal thyroid function.. So, why are they fat? Because obesity is not a physical disease, rather, a psychological one.

Andy

 

[serge]

Oh, come on, serge.. YOu off all people should know better.. Forget about the biology behind your cells 'not knowing the difference between sugar from white rice and sugar from a snickers..'

What's the first law of thermodynamics? (I must pause here.. I'm still quite amazed that you have let the media sway your logic away from solid science to the myths that surround bbing)

Here's a short version..

1) your body's cells cannot tell the difference between sugar from apples and rice and sugars from candy bars.

2) calories in = calories out!!!! If you eat 2000 cals/day and burn 3000cals. YOu WILL lose weight! IT's that simple. IT does not matter what you have eaten-- rice and chicken or skittles and beef... 2000 cals is 2000cals..

Lastly.. YOu show me someone who can't get as skinny as he wants to be eating ONE SNICKERS bar a day, and I'll show you a unicorn. This is not what makes fat people fat.. Fat people are fat because they eat too damn many calories. Fat people don't want to believe that it's that simple to lose weight- eat less than you burn. They WANT fat loss to be this complex thing that requires a degree in physics to be succesful at. They WISH they had thyroid problems or just a plain "slow metabolism." WHy? so they can have an excuse for why they've failed every diet they have been on and remained fat all of their lives. No, no, no, no, nooooooooo Fat people have the same (or greater) basal metabolic rates than everyone else. They also have normal thyroid function.. So, why are they fat? Because obesity is not a physical disease, rather, a psychological one.

Andy

ok, here it is, i am not disputing that you will loose weight if you simply reduce your caloric intake below maintanance.......OBVIOUSLY , but what kind of weight are you going to loose??? me personally, im only interested in loosing body fat, sub-cue water, i sure as hell dont want to loose any muscle that i have been busting my ass for past 8 years to accumilate. so what im saying is, by simply reducing your caloric intake you will just turn into a smaller version of your previous FAT self (assuming you are fat to start with)

 

[Vageta]

I used to buy into "all calories are the same" philosophy but lately I'm learning it isn't so true. Many other factors play a role in body composition even with identical caloric intakes. There are plenties of studies out there that prove many of these theories to be true. A higher protein diet with the same caloric intake of a lower protein diet actually nets less useable calories due to the thermic effect of food. This is partially why high protein diets seem to work better while dieting.

Different fats play a huge role in weight loss. Fish oils and other EFAs have been shown to produce positive body composition changes in comparison to an identical fat intake of unhealthy saturated fats. If these calories were all the same then there would be no change.

Of course you can't cheat the law of thermodynamics, however there is more to it than meets the eye. Mixing different ratios of macronutrients, and types of macronutrients can have different outcomes on body composition even if caloric intake is identical. Why? Because our body treats foods differently even if they have the same energy values. Energy balance can't be cheated as I said, however when you intake certain foods it actually alters the net energy balance. EFA's are just that and so your body uses them for other purposes than just energy. Whereas saturated fats can only be used for one thing.. energy. If you don't burn it you wear it.

Now I don't buy into a lot of the insane type of diet restriction that others do, however I'm open minded enough to know there is a difference. If you were to eat exactly 3000 calories of Snicker's bars for your diet, and I was to eat a balanced diet containing lean protein, healthy EFA's and low glycemic carbs at the same caloric level I guarantee you I will come out ahead. That of course assume we have the same genetics and potential.

Now the difference may not be earth shattering, but it would be there. And if you look at that over the long term then eventually the healthier diet would pull ahead of the other. I don't know about you but I AM in this for the long term so it matters to me.

Bottom line is this: Thermodynamics no doubt plays the most important role in weight loss. However food choices plays a role in what type of weight is lost. Thermodynamics does not differentiate between fat and muscle so even though the basic rule of calories in vs calories out is undeniable, the type of weight lost or gained in this rule can be different. I guarantee if you bulked on nothing but candy bars while someone else bulked on the foods I listed above at identical caloric intakes, then there would be a definite body composition difference at the end of any given week. And the person eating candy bars wouldn't be the favorable one.

Someone else coined this term but it couldn't be more true. How much you eat determines how much you lose. What you eat determines what you lose. Same would be true for gaining weight.