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can u bech press 475 naturaly?

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this guy in my gym benchs 475 for 5-6 reps as a routine every time he comes to the gym. Thats the heaviest weight i have ever seen benched before, so i went and i asked about his diet and routine and chated with him for a while. after that i played dump and asked him if he juices and he told me that he never uses any anything than protein shake. he is short fat as hell and he tolde me that hes lifting for 7 years now. is he lying? can you bench that much without roids?........
 
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its possible, for sure. there is a powerlifter in my town, that is ranked 1 in canada, and he is completely natural and benches a lot more then that. he is short and fat as hell, but hella strong
 
he is very fat that he lloks like been bulking for ever, i cant understand how his joints can take all the stress
 
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Short, fat, round endomorphs can bench alot. Next time you see one in the gym watch him....

They have short arms which limits there ROM, and they also have big fat chests, with round large ribcages underneath which means bar can only be lowered so much. Some extreme fatty's can look like they're doing a full rep, but compared to an ectomorph, its only the top 3rd of the rep range.

They can bench alot, but would I choose to look like them....er...No!!
 
there's a fatty in my gym who throws on 445 and reps it out for about 10 - no spot. He's a football player, tested, and not on a thing. oh, and did I mention - he's a fatty.
 
tested means nothing...come on i would think some people would know better then thinking being tested means being clean...:rolleyes:
 
Sebass67 said:
tested means nothing...come on i would think some people would know better then thinking being tested means being clean...:rolleyes:
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excellent point, considering I was a high school/university shot putter juiced to the gills.
but in this case I know he is natural - I'm now good friends with his brother, and the topic has come up more than once.
 
i know a 22 year old that benched 600 without gear, im not shitting you either
 
sure it is possible, but highly unlikely, the response of "just a protein shake" and "7 years of training" seems fishy, if he was natural he would go into more detail about his training and diet...
 
Those short fat guys have it made in the shade.... I am a little taller at about 6'2

I am right around 475 for a raw max right now (+/-5 lbs) and I have always been natty.... But reps is something to aspire to for sure....!

Sebass is right though, tested, does not mean natty, and once someone goes the juice route, they are never natty again....
 
I've seen plenty of athletes bench 450+ that natty. I know they were not on AS because they probably thought their dick would shrink. I've seen 500 once from an natty. He was one of those 6'2 290 super athletic football players. He could dunk, lift a shit load but hardly tried. I was jealous!
 
You never know that someone is natural unless that someone is yourself.
 
I would've never gone over 400 natural. Matter of fact I haven't hit that juiced yet but should by year end.
 
just from my experience, all the "natural" guys I've know to rep with that much weight have been fatties. I'd rather look good anyday than get fat just to bench a certain weight.
 
trenfan2 said:
just from my experience, all the "natural" guys I've know to rep with that much weight have been fatties. I'd rather look good anyday than get fat just to bench a certain weight.
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Agreed. I could care-a-less about how much I can lift. My lazy ass wouldn't touch a weight if I could maintain this body without doing so.. screw that.
 
Having talked to alot of the powerlifters on the training board, who told me that I was a liar and there is no way I benched 455 at a bodyweight of 220 on 100 mg of prop ed, and 50 mg of tren ed, so I would have to say its impossible.
 
In my hay day of lifting I hit 425 for a max raw.....now in ole age I hit 475-485 with a shirt.....so I suppose it is, I was natural till age 30.
 
BodybuildingUniverse said:
bottomline I think is you have to give the guy his props regardless of what he may or may not be taking. It's not like you or I are going to bench 475 magically after popping a pill or getting pricked. Strong is strong.
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exactly.... it took work no matter how they got there...

BBFinaplex- I got your back dude.... I put up 450+ in college first time at 215-225.... only peeps who can't say it is impossible
 
x_muscle said:
this guy in my gym benchs 475 for 5-6 reps as a routine every time he comes to the gym. Thats the heaviest weight i have ever seen benched before, so i went and i asked about his diet and routine and chated with him for a while. after that i played dump and asked him if he juices and he told me that he never uses any anything than protein shake. he is short fat as hell and he tolde me that hes lifting for 7 years now. is he lying? can you bench that much without roids?........
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Some people are just naturelly strong... i can't bench 475 w/or w/out juice so who cares!! :)
 
you may think i'm joking but i can bench 515 about 12 times...
ounces that is.:fro:
 
jonny jacked said:
some people are quoting some big numbers here. but hey, I guess on the internet you can be as strong as you want to!
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True that...but I know what I did do in my college days and that was before I became what I am now.....and I did hit 425. Natural...no Anabolics.....no prohormones, just diet and genetics. I weighed 250....now at 34 raw I hit 350-370 depending on cycle length and duration.
 
jonny jacked said:
some people are quoting some big numbers here. but hey, I guess on the internet you can be as strong as you want to!
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Loan me a digital camera and I will make you a tape so you can watch it yourself....
 
alltraps said:
its possible, for sure. there is a powerlifter in my town, that is ranked 1 in canada, and he is completely natural and benches a lot more then that. he is short and fat as hell, but hella strong
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this same powerlifter is the one who taught me how to deadlift and squat, I've seen him do close grip bench on incline on that weight, so I know it can be done. Hell, this guy also has a 900lb squat in competition
 
no way, the dudes bull shitting. then again he could have 1 inch arms and be like 300 pounds and 5ft tall. then it may be possible but still.unlikely
 
I know a guy who is our strength and conditioning coach on my football team...huge guy..like 6'4 320...probably at his prime. I doubt he did steroids and he told me he used to bench 450...

So basically, big huge guys can do it...but i doubt many at lower weight ranges would be able to attain such a number.
 
cartoonman said:
no way, the dudes bull shitting. then again he could have 1 inch arms and be like 300 pounds and 5ft tall. then it may be possible but still.unlikely
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not really, there are people who can bench that much naturally without a doubt
 
cartoonman said:
no way, the dudes bull shitting. then again he could have 1 inch arms and be like 300 pounds and 5ft tall. then it may be possible but still.unlikely
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sorry bro, but you have no idea what you are talking about!
 
I know someone who competed in the Mr. Olympia natural. He never benched 475 but he was a tiny guy by today's standards.
 
anabolicmd said:
No one who benches more than 500 is natural. Just cant happen.
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you as well have no clue, it can happen believe it or not. i wouldnt lie for someone else. 600lb natural bench. you would be surprised what some farm boys can do strength wise :D and also, not a shorts fat stubby guy either
 
anabolicmd said:
No one who benches more than 500 is natural. Just cant happen.
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I beg to differ. Not many people can. BBers have a hard time benching that much naturally, because they don't train the same way.

I personally know a guy (powerlifter) who benches 455 naturally.
And don't say he isn't natural, he is.

He eats hard, trains hard, has good genetics, and 8 years of training under his belt.

Personally, I don't even know if i'll ever see a 475pd bench with juice, but oh well, its not my goal.
 
I cant speak about an old friends bench press but I knew a guy who was just 19 at the time (about 2 years ago) who could deadlift 600 lbs and he was natural...
He was a freak of nature...He would leg press 1000 lbs for 7-8 reps easily, all natural...
Justin, you big bastard ;)

Though I did get him to do his first cycle ever :D...so atleast I was able to corrupt him (like he needed to be any stronger lol :D)
 
lilleOle said:
guys who do bench @ 600lbs and still claim they dont juice are sooo fucking lying :D
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i know someone who benched 600lbs and his in fact natural - thats a fact. And not some short fat guy either.......
 
Just because you look up to someone, and they pay lip service to natural training does not change the fact that humans just arent built that strong. There are a few exceptions, but a vast majority of 500 lbs+ benchers are not natural.
 
No disrespect to any members who claim otherwise but I do not believe for a second that any human being benches 600 lbs. naturally. I would venture an estimate that 95%+ of people who rep (or max) 475 are on juice. Shit I have everyone at my gym convinced that I have never touched anything, so I don't doubt that MANY of these supposedly natural guys are juiced to the gills.
 
i dont care what anyone thinks, i know someone, im not even friends with him and i wouldnt lie for him. he benched 600 natural. o well, doesnt matter. i guess hes gifted and you guys arent. btw anabolicmd - i dont look up to him one bit. strength isnt an objective for me, looks is. btw i cant even do 400lbs and i juice :) guys dont be jelous of the naturally gifted strong guys out there.....peace
 
I've never ever personally seen anyone bench more than 315lbs EVER, and the guys I've seen doing it are HUGE!!!!

So I don't know, I guess the 3 gyms I've worked out at suck dog ass...
 
F117A Active Stealth said:
I've never ever personally seen anyone bench more than 315lbs EVER, and the guys I've seen doing it are HUGE!!!!

So I don't know, I guess the 3 gyms I've worked out at suck dog ass...
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that was amazes me, ive seen guys squating 1000 lbs, but they couldnt bench more than 330. but this this guy blow my mind.

but read this thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=216313

16 years old benches 500 lb!!
 
I know for a fact that the dude that alltraps mentioned, with the 575 bench and almost 900 squat is natural..one reason is because he gets tested constantly, which I know can be beat. but he and I were talking about it last year, and he wanted to know how much I thought he could add to his lifts if he juiced
 
Long-time friend of mine and 100% natural. 14th in the 1987 Mr. Olympia. I've known him since before he was even Mr. Georgia. aka "The Haitian Striation".

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F117A Active Stealth said:
I've never ever personally seen anyone bench more than 315lbs EVER, and the guys I've seen doing it are HUGE!!!!

So I don't know, I guess the 3 gyms I've worked out at suck dog ass...
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LOL me neither...my ex-workout partner benched 315 a couple of times at his best, and he had a big chest and was short and stocky

I workout in miami and washington dc and I VERY rarely see people bench more than 315...maybe the big boys bench whenever I'm not there
 
needsize said:
I know for a fact that the dude that alltraps mentioned, with the 575 bench and almost 900 squat is natural..one reason is because he gets tested constantly, which I know can be beat. but he and I were talking about it last year, and he wanted to know how much I thought he could add to his lifts if he juiced
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I respect your opinion, but a lot of guys really play up the act of being natural. I personally dont believe a guy can bench that naturally, unless he weighs 500 lbs himself.
 
Paul Sr. from Orange County Choppers on Discovery Benched 405 on the show the other day....
 
anabolicmd said:


I respect your opinion, but a lot of guys really play up the act of being natural. I personally dont believe a guy can bench that naturally, unless he weighs 500 lbs himself.
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I've been close friends with this guy for 10 years now, I know hes natural, in fact, i offered him free steroids if he would do a cycle and hes still thinking about it.
He is about 5'7" and weighs around 290lbs
 
While we're on the subject, does anyone know if Dr. Squat (Frederick Hatfield) is natural? When I only knew of him that he squated 1000lbs first, I assume he juiced. But then I read his book (Hardcore Bodybuilding: a Scientific Approach), and he seems very anti-steroid. Probably an act, but...
 
jh1 said:
Paul Sr. from Orange County Choppers on Discovery Benched 405 on the show the other day....
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yep i saw that, and he dosent like some one wo can do that. but seems in my area ( orange county and southern cali ) many people take care of there shape. i see many people benching above 300 in my gym, plus i saw i girl squating 375 lb. dam strong girl
 
F117A Active Stealth said:
I've never ever personally seen anyone bench more than 315lbs EVER, and the guys I've seen doing it are HUGE!!!!

So I don't know, I guess the 3 gyms I've worked out at suck dog ass...
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315 is by no means a big bench no matter how you look at it. where do you guys lift? curves for women?
 
jonny jacked said:


315 is by no means a big bench no matter how you look at it. where do you guys lift? curves for women?
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hell, andre agassi benches 300lbs so as u say 315 is not a huge deal.
again, since agassi benches 300 i'd say a natural PL could bench 475 though i've never seen it done.
 
315 is by no means a big bench no matter how you look at it. where do you guys lift? curves for women?
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I've worked out at Gold's, World Gym, Pitbull Gym, and Ultrafitness gyms.

I've seen maybe 5 guys bench 315lbs and they all had 19" arms and up.

Maybe these guys have steroid bloat? One guy I've seen do 365lbs and he had 20" arms and was RIPPED!! I'd say at least 4% BF, awesomest physique I've ever seen.
 
YuP its possible. I know a guy 1/2 from my house who is a world record holder and he swears he has never touched anything. HE gets tested. I though he was plum full of GH but i bel him now. BTW He benched 615 in the 220's! Sub masters. Messed up thing is he just looks like the average joe walking down the street. Well maybe not the ave joe but sure the fuck dont look like he can bench over 600.

I have also met some guys who swear they dont take anything and i know the fuckers are full of shit. lol.
 
I can do 405 for 4 reps

not even CLOSE to natural


475?? Not likely for me
 
jonny jacked said:
ohashi, am i reading this correctly in your sig. your current cycle you are taking 100mg of d-bol ED?
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im taking 75-100mg ed my next cycle, most likely 75mg but im sure his sig isn't a mistype :)
 
ohashi said:
While we're on the subject, does anyone know if Dr. Squat (Frederick Hatfield) is natural? When I only knew of him that he squated 1000lbs first, I assume he juiced. But then I read his book (Hardcore Bodybuilding: a Scientific Approach), and he seems very anti-steroid. Probably an act, but...
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in the earlier edition of bodybuilding: a scientific approach, hatfield lays out sample cycles to use for off season and contest prep.
 
DaddyX said:


im taking 75-100mg ed my next cycle, most likely 75mg but im sure his sig isn't a mistype :)
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what will you be stacking that with? if I can just ask, why have you chosen to use such a high dose when so many have had success with a 1/4 of what you are going to take? are gains that much more significant at that dose, as compared to say 35 - 50mg tops?
either way, heres some karma for being hard core
 
I have a hard time seeing a natural BP much over 550, but stranger things have happened. Nobody believes my friend is natty either.
 
jonny jacked said:


what will you be stacking that with? if I can just ask, why have you chosen to use such a high dose when so many have had success with a 1/4 of what you are going to take? are gains that much more significant at that dose, as compared to say 35 - 50mg tops?
either way, heres some karma for being hard core
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LOL, yeah i have used 40mg in the past and was pleased with the results. Im stacking it with a gram of test, i think 75mg of dbol. Im only going to be running the dbol for 4-5 weeks. Really im just stupid :) If the night sweats get to bad or my back starts killing me im going to drop down to 50 mg ed. Im going to hit you back up with some good karma bro. take it easy
 
75mg of dbol isnt really that hardcore, I've done 80 many times, with great blood tests afterwards. I also know of a few guys that double that dose without any problems
 
NO mistype bro. I do very well off of 500mg of test and 35mg of dbol BUT I am going for a pr in this meet on the bench press. I am shooting for 515 in the 220's so I need everything i can to help. That will put me in the top 100 in powerlifting usa mag. lol. I am done with powerlifting after this. To dangerous. I am to tall for that shit anyway. I am just going to try and get massive. I used to get blood work down when i had insurance and everything always checked out ok when i was on but of course it was much lower dosages. I keep a close watch on everything and I am only running it for one week @ 100mg ed.

I know guys who take 200 - 300mg of a bomb ed! I know eventually they are going to have serious problems but you know the the saying goes. D-bol die young, Die strong! lol



jonny jacked said:
ohashi, am i reading this correctly in your sig. your current cycle you are taking 100mg of d-bol ED?
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needsize said:
75mg of dbol isnt really that hardcore, I've done 80 many times, with great blood tests afterwards. I also know of a few guys that double that dose without any problems
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Don't steel my thunder, i am too hardcore :D
 
Definitely, my best friend pushed 500 twice this fall. I couldn't believe it. He's 6' and 215 and has always been naturally strong. He has bearpaws for hands. And joints like a calf.
 
monkey arms said:
Definitely, my best friend pushed 500 twice this fall. I couldn't believe it. He's 6' and 215 and has always been naturally strong. He has bearpaws for hands. And joints like a calf.
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Wow, he weighs 215 and benches 500 for a double? Does he compete?
 
No but he should. I couldn't believe it. He's always been strong. I use to hate wrestling him in highschool. He's not that big but just put together well. And strong as an ox. We called him Bam Bam in school. He'd only recently returned to the GYM (6 mo's) after 6 years off and still has it.
 
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