can someone check this blood test pls

[Zyglamail]

thank you zyg..and I agree with u jester,i am impressed by yzgs know how and the willingness to extensively help someone..thanks zyg..

going on ur supplement regime from tomo..

need to know if I need to control estro with calcium d glucorate n dim as estro is already low..

have anavite multi vitamin can I add it to the mix.

ascorbic,lysine and proline--is there a supplement having all these combined zyg..

The idea here is to get off all your prescription meds, finasteride, nolva etc. If you find you need estrogen control after stopping nolva then use the dim/calcium D glucarate.

Yes, use your multi vitamin as a base.

There are a couple combined ascorbate/lysine/proline products:

Heart Technology Retail (Heart Tech)

Since you have high cholesterol you would probably want to take double the daily dose of the above if you opted to use that product. It would end up being quite a bit more expensive than buying the stuff individually.

 

[bowly]

zyg just been two weeks with statin and tamox..and three days since fina and moved to ralox..

have to stop that hairfall and reduce the lump till the vitamins start producing the results..is it ok to continue till then

zyg correct me--dim and glucorate will lower e2 and not bring it to optimum range--correct?if so should I take it only when my e2 increases..

also should I take chaste berry to bring down the prolactin as caber or bromo seem too harsh on the system..

The idea here is to get off all your prescription meds, finasteride, nolva etc. If you find you need estrogen control after stopping nolva then use the dim/calcium D glucarate.

Yes, use your multi vitamin as a base.

There are a couple combined ascorbate/lysine/proline products:

Heart Technology Retail (Heart Tech)

Since you have high cholesterol you would probably want to take double the daily dose of the above if you opted to use that product. It would end up being quite a bit more expensive than buying the stuff individually.

 

[Zyglamail]

Nutrients dont work like drugs. If you have been deficient for years you cant expect to see results from adding in nutrients you have been deficient in for years to show results in mere weeks, possibly not even months and perhaps even years depending on how old you are and how aggressivly you supplement.

Many processes in the body break down and suffer long before there are any external symptoms there is a problem. By the time you start displaying symptoms, even minor ones, your body has been making due without and damage has been occuring. When you start to intriduce whats been missing your body has a lot of catch up to do.

Dim and calcium D glucarate are not going to tank your E levels like a pharmaceutical drug will. We are actually inundated with estrogens from out environment every day and those estrogens can also make multiple passes through your system before ultimately being metabolized. Im still a little confused why your taking nolva if you have low E? Its going to muck up your hpta and cause sides. Hair be damned, you couldnt pay me tto touch finasteride, just use google for the horror stories.

You could try chaste berry, I dont have any experience with it myself. I try and stick to essential nutrients.

 

[bowly]

hey zyg reply in bold

Dim and calcium D glucarate are not going to tank your E levels like a pharmaceutical drug will. We are actually inundated with estrogens from out environment every day and those estrogens can also make multiple passes through your system before ultimately being metabolized.so regular use of dim n cag is like maintaining a healthy level of e2..correct? Im still a little confused why your taking nolva if you have low E?inorder to reduce the lump I have used adex,letro and exemestane in conjunction with a serm..have read about tamox and ralox being effective enough to dissolve the lump hence on tamox and now ralox..also to prevent whatever has caused the lump to form from binding further Its going to muck up your hpta and cause sides.i completely agree but if I drop it have the fear of it getting enlarged like last few times and then will compulsory have to go on letro that fucks the system ten folds Hair be damned, you couldnt pay me tto touch finasteride, just use google for the horror stories.just taking fina for a month..have tried it earlier for a month or two and seen hair return to normal..i know its the nutrition that's caused the hairfall but got to atleast stop this hairfall..saw palmetto will take months before it stops hairfall..a month or two atleast gives me a chance to get nutrition get back some control

You could try chaste berry, I dont have any experience with it myself. I try and stick to essential nutrients.[/QUOTE]

 

[bowly]

zyg found this..

High serum B12 can be caused by a functional B12 deficiency. In that condition, there is enough B12 in the body, but the cells are not able to use it properly, so they export it back to the blood, and it builds up there, bound to haptocorrin. After about a week, the haptocorrin-bound B12 is imported by the liver and recycled via the bile to the gut. This is the salvage and recycle pathway for B12. The cells of the body in general are not able to use this B12. Only the liver can import it. The other transporter of B12 in the blood is transcobalamin, and this is the one that carries B12 from the gut to the cells in general.

High serum B12 per se is not harmful, but it indicates that there is an issue with B12 utilization.

According to the GD-MCB hypothesis, a functional B12 deficiency is part of the pathophysiology of ME/CFS, and it is caused by glutathione depletion

 

[bowly]

does this make sense that b12 is high and sgpt is showing high due to the liver activity..

zyg found this..

High serum B12 can be caused by a functional B12 deficiency. In that condition, there is enough B12 in the body, but the cells are not able to use it properly, so they export it back to the blood, and it builds up there, bound to haptocorrin. After about a week, the haptocorrin-bound B12 is imported by the liver and recycled via the bile to the gut. This is the salvage and recycle pathway for B12. The cells of the body in general are not able to use this B12. Only the liver can import it. The other transporter of B12 in the blood is transcobalamin, and this is the one that carries B12 from the gut to the cells in general.

High serum B12 per se is not harmful, but it indicates that there is an issue with B12 utilization.

According to the GD-MCB hypothesis, a functional B12 deficiency is part of the pathophysiology of ME/CFS, and it is caused by glutathione depletion

 

[Zyglamail]

You have been bouncing on and off all sorts of meds that directly affect various hormone levels so your above labs really dont mean anything.

The reason I recommended DIM and CDG was to naturally control estrogen which in one post you claimed wasnt an issue because your estrogen is low but at the same time stated AI's and nolva help with the lump. If they helped with the lump then its likely estrogen related or possibly just due to the rollercoaster hormone ride you have put yourself on.

At the end of the day its your body and you do what you feel is best. From experience however I can tell you that often times thing get worse before they get better. Years or decades of nutritional neglect can not be overcome by a drug and can not be reversed overnight by simply adding in what was missing.

 

[bowly]

damn damn damn

I did not know that there is an auto finish feature for words..i typed fina-- for finasteride and it finished with finaplex..damn

u must think I am crazy

You have been bouncing on and off all sorts of meds that directly affect various hormone levels so your above labs really dont mean anything.zyg I was not even on multi vitamins before this blood test..i repeat no medicine/pill whatsoeverlast yr developed gyno in may and was only on diet n workouts by team of trainers from uk physical elite..from 3500 calorie diet n gvt workout for 2wks they put me on hiit and a high fat diet and boom there was the lump..had to go on ralox and exemestane to dissolve it..what else do I do man..tamox is too toxic and letro practically kills u

no one understood what caused it..except that bf was high and a high fat diet could have triggered a testosterone response causing the gyno..

The reason I recommended DIM and CDG was to naturally control estrogen which in one post you claimed wasnt an issue because your estrogen is low but at the same time stated AI's and nolva help with the lump. If they helped with the lump then its likely estrogen related or possibly just due to the rollercoaster hormone ride you have put yourself on. .I understand ai,s reduce estrogen but they also dissolve accumulated lump and that's the reason I chose both ai and serm..this time my estro is low hence only on a serm

At the end of the day its your body and you do what you feel is best. From experience however I can tell you that often times thing get worse before they get better. Years or decades of nutritional neglect can not be overcome by a drug and can not be reversed overnight by simply adding in what was missing.absolutely correct zyg,am trying to follow ur suggestion..also speaking to an ortho molecular doc from Chicago..w\

but before more harm is done I am trying to block the negative effect of these things..finasteride,simvastatin and raloxifen are dangerous drugs and I don't intend continuing them beyond a month..will dim and cdg reduce a lump..if they will I will drop off the raloxifen..cholesterol can cause a lot of damage hence gone on statin..will add the ascorbic,lysine and proline but will have to wait till I get them online or from uk..

did u read on the b12 article..my b12 was high for last three tests and I was only on whey protein and casein at night..no supplementation whatsoever..what do u make of this

 

[Zyglamail]

You are totally missing yet at the same time highlighting the point I am trying to make.

Just because you have a lump doensnt mean it wont go away on its own. If your not taking AAS and you dont have high estrogen levels then its not very likely its true irreversible gyno.

Next, you say you need a serm to reduce gyno and if you stop using it gyno will come back. So if the gyno will come back without ths serm, then what is the serm actually FIXING? Its not fixing anything if the gyno is going to return and in the mean time what other effects on your whole body is the serm having?

As far as statins and cholesterol goes, please explain to me how cholesterol causes damage? Cholesterol does NOT cause damage in and of itself, increased cholesteol levels are there because your body raised them out of a perceived need and in some cases due to a piss poor diet high in processed carbs. The damage that is seen when cholesterol levels are high is caused by the same thing that caused the high cholesterol levels. The "damage" and the elevated cholesterol are both side effects of an underlying problem. The increased cholesterol isnt the problem itself, its a response to the problem. Address the problem and the levels will go down.

If the body senses a need for increased cholesterol levels, then please explain to me why the goal of treatment shouldnt be to identify and address WHY the body thinks it needs more instead of just squashing cholesterol levels. The fact is your body raises cholesterol as a means to deal with toxins and patch up arterial walls that are damaged when the proper underlying nutrients are not available.

So if you have an excess amount of toxins and your body produces more cholesterol to bind up and metabolize those toxins and you take statins to get rid of cholesterol then what happens to the toxins? Not a damn thing, they are left to roam free and wreak havoc on the body.

If your are deficient in vit C and lysine and your body cant properly repair arterial damage cholesterol is raised and used as a fix for the damage. What happens to this arterial damage when you take away cholesterol? Your reduce the bodies ability to handle the arterial damage and are more susceptible to hemorrhage.

A statin does NOT FIX high cholesterol, if it fixed it then you wouldnt need to stay on statins forever to control it.

No drug works in a vacuum, it doesnt just affect one thing because what the drug is designed to ultimately directly affects other body processes. Cholesterol is essential for the production of many hormones in addition to what I stated above so you cant just drop cholesterol and not expect it to have an impact on the operation of many other things in your body and often times these "side effects" are worse than the initial problem to begin with.

Take some time and visit the world health organizations website and start looking at the data. If memory serves correctly you will see that austrailia has the highest mean cholesterol level of all the countries data is tracked for. At the same time, they also have the lowest death rate due to heart disease. If cholesterol causes so much damage then that should be the farthest from the truth.

 

[bowly]

[zyg I get ur point..

half my previous message was in ur quote window in my earlier reply,hope u read it..

well I knew cholestrol increases to solve a problem by depositing itself to the arterial walls preventing the inflammation which can lead to thickening of the arterial walls, leading to a blockage..

don't know between toxins and cholestrols remedial actions which one will harm more..atleast that's been the mode of treatment in india.no doctors,i repeat no doctor in india wants to address the root of why cholesterol increased in the first place.

well I was not working out,diet was not nourishing,was not on any supplements ,too much stress and now I am paying the price..

will get off the statin,serm and finasteride but don't know how long it will take to find a right doc who can find the source of the problems causing it ..hope till then whatever negative factors causing havoc inside don't kill me completely..

lemme know if u know of some doctor who can work with me to solve these problems.

thanks



QUOTE=Zyglamail;17386203]You are totally missing yet at the same time highlighting the point I am trying to make.

Just because you have a lump doensnt mean it wont go away on its own. If your not taking AAS and you dont have high estrogen levels then its not very likely its true irreversible gyno.

Next, you say you need a serm to reduce gyno and if you stop using it gyno will come back. So if the gyno will come back without ths serm, then what is the serm actually FIXING? Its not fixing anything if the gyno is going to return and in the mean time what other effects on your whole body is the serm having?

As far as statins and cholesterol goes, please explain to me how cholesterol causes damage? Cholesterol does NOT cause damage in and of itself, increased cholesteol levels are there because your body raised them out of a perceived need and in some cases due to a piss poor diet high in processed carbs. The damage that is seen when cholesterol levels are high is caused by the same thing that caused the high cholesterol levels. The "damage" and the elevated cholesterol are both side effects of an underlying problem. The increased cholesterol isnt the problem itself, its a response to the problem. Address the problem and the levels will go down.

If the body senses a need for increased cholesterol levels, then please explain to me why the goal of treatment shouldnt be to identify and address WHY the body thinks it needs more instead of just squashing cholesterol levels. The fact is your body raises cholesterol as a means to deal with toxins and patch up arterial walls that are damaged when the proper underlying nutrients are not available.

So if you have an excess amount of toxins and your body produces more cholesterol to bind up and metabolize those toxins and you take statins to get rid of cholesterol then what happens to the toxins? Not a damn thing, they are left to roam free and wreak havoc on the body.

If your are deficient in vit C and lysine and your body cant properly repair arterial damage cholesterol is raised and used as a fix for the damage. What happens to this arterial damage when you take away cholesterol? Your reduce the bodies ability to handle the arterial damage and are more susceptible to hemorrhage.

A statin does NOT FIX high cholesterol, if it fixed it then you wouldnt need to stay on statins forever to control it.

No drug works in a vacuum, it doesnt just affect one thing because what the drug is designed to ultimately directly affects other body processes. Cholesterol is essential for the production of many hormones in addition to what I stated above so you cant just drop cholesterol and not expect it to have an impact on the operation of many other things in your body and often times these "side effects" are worse than the initial problem to begin with.

Take some time and visit the world health organizations website and start looking at the data. If memory serves correctly you will see that austrailia has the highest mean cholesterol level of all the countries data is tracked for. At the same time, they also have the lowest death rate due to heart disease. If cholesterol causes so much damage then that should be the farthest from the truth.[/QUOTE]