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Bring it on, John Kerry

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Bring it on, John
Oliver North
August 27, 2004

"Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'" -- Sen. John Kerry


Dear John,

As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with President George Bush about your war record. He's been exceedingly generous about your military service. Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who served honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you, not the president, made the centerpiece of this campaign.

I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals or how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might agree with me, though I've never heard you say it, that the officers always got more medals than they earned and the youngsters we led never got as many medals as they deserved.

This really isn't about how early you came home from that war, either, John. There have always been guys in every war who want to go home. There are also lots of guys, like those in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who did a full 13 months in the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young Americans today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war because, as one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago, "the job isn't finished."

Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. Heck John, people get lost going on vacation. If you got lost, just say so. Your campaign has admitted that you now know that you really weren't in Cambodia that night and that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you thought he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you could have all that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want to have your finger on our nation's nuclear trigger.

But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're having, John, isn't about your medals or coming home early or getting lost -- or even Richard Nixon. The issue is what you did to us when you came home, John.

When you got home, you co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War and wrote "The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served -- and were still serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all, John, you then accused me -- and all of us who served in Vietnam -- of committing terrible crimes and atrocities.

On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that you had knowledge that American troops "had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted on television that "yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed."

And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty than any other body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions ... the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners."

Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for those of us carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move on with our lives. And for those who were still there, it was even more hurtful. But those who suffered the most from what you said and did were the hundreds of American prisoners of war being held by Hanoi.

Here's what some of them endured because of you, John:

Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese custody when he was handed a copy of your testimony by his captors. Warner says that for his captors, your statements "were proof I deserved to be punished." He wasn't released until March 14, 1973.

Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody for 2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly" your one-liner about being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March 4, 1973.

Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing as solitary (confinement) ... and a prime reason the war dragged on." He remained in North Vietnamese hands until February 12, 1973.

John, did you think they would forget?

When Tim Russert asked about your claim that you and others in Vietnam committed "atrocities," instead of standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a bit over the top." Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you are a war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way, you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like to say something ... to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."

Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?
 
good post
 
Is this an election or a plot for a wrestling match on WWE?

Between them telling each other to "BRING IT ON" all the time, I get confused. :confused:
 
I'm sure Tad "No one knows you" Health will ignore this thread.

Nice post.
 
Please Code, you guys are the ones who dont want to admit truth when you see it and hear it. You try and ignore it and hope it goes away.

I find it obvious that John Kerry upset many people when he came home and told the truth of his own observances and relayed the information that he recieved from many other vietnam vets.

Im sure many would never like to have heard any of it repeated ever again. Even though it was truthfull in story, it still only made the hurt worse on a personal level for the many of the individuals who were in vietnam.

But even this story shows the writer trying/wanting to ignore things
...trying to move on with our lives.
and not wanting to hear the stories revealed.

What is so wrong in Kerry trying to get the men and women out of vietnam as fast as possible? Nothing. He had sepnt time there and gotten released, and came back spent his time trying to get his fellows out fo there. Not to save one or two men, but to save all of them.

The quotes by the men you posted are refuted and most likely lies...
Phil Butler, who spent eight years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, took issue with suggestions by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that Kerry's antiwar protests caused the POWs to be treated badly. "I lived with two of the POWs who are now in that group -- Mr. [Ken] Courdier and Mr. [Paul] Gallanti -- and I am telling you, they are full of it. We never heard a blooming thing about John Kerry while we were there,"

I find it a much bigger issue the fact that the President lied three times last week about his invlovement in it and some people dont want hear that either. Sad really.

Yeah John, do apologise. If you know your words did get men tortured, then it would be the right thing. But never apologise for being proactive in trying do what you think is morally right in tryig to stop a war and never apologise for speaking the truth.






Poor poor fascists. Feeling the heat.
 
OMFG already these people need to give it the fuck up.

"BOO HOO YOU SPOKE OUT AGAINST SOLDIERS WHEN YOU CAME HOME U SAID TEHY WERE RAPISTS AND STUFFZ0RZ!!!1"

Well no shit! I'd speak out agasint them also. Some were just plain scum, it's a known fact, and it's deplorable enough to have to go to war, never mind go over there and turn into a madman raping pre teens and whatnot. Fuck those cocksuckers, I don't care if they were U.S soldiers or not, anyone who does that stuff is a piece of shit. It was an excuse to turn into madmen and like it.
 
here is the book where john kerry trashed those he supposedly fought with, the united states military, and the country as a whole. you know, the book he is trying to supress and buy up all the remaining copies of.

yeah, that book. but being the nice guy that i am, i provided a link below where you can download and read the book for yourself.

John Kerry's The New Soldier
 
p0ink said:
here is the book where john kerry trashed those he supposedly fought with, the united states military, and the country as a whole. you know, the book he is trying to supress and buy up all the remaining copies of.

yeah, that book. but being the nice guy that i am, i provided a link below where you can download and read the book for yourself.

John Kerry's The New Soldier
if they secerved to be trashed for being trash then what's the deal? Obviously he's going to try and rescind his comments and cover then up caus eaverage joe american can't imagine a US vet doing wrong, so obviously Kerry is a liar.
 
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