Bring it on, John Kerry

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if they secerved to be trashed for being trash then what's the deal? Obviously he's going to try and rescind his comments and cover then up caus eaverage joe american can't imagine a US vet doing wrong, so obviously Kerry is a liar.

ok, so is john kerry the vietnam hero he says he is, or is he the war criminal he said he was? and if he was responsible for war crimes, like he said he was, under oath and before the senate, why is he being pushed as a 'war hero' by the DNC and not being prosecuted for war crimes?

please explain.

 

[Burning_Inside]

ok, so is john kerry the vietnam hero he says he is, or is he the war criminal he said he was? and if he was responsible for war crimes, like he said he was, under oath and before the senate, why is he being pushed as a 'war hero' by the DNC and not being prosecuted for war crimes?

please explain.

He said :I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down.


From what I can read he never took part in anything other than what he was almost assuredly ordered to do. I don;t see him saying anything about raping kids or torturing anyone. Far as I can see he was using what he could to defend himself.

 

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He said :I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down.

From what I can read he never took part in anything other than what he was almost assuredly ordered to do. I don;t see him saying anything about raping kids or torturing anyone. Far as I can see he was using what he could to defend himself.

assuming he was 'ordered' to do that, which he wasn't, he had the obligation as an officer not to follow through with an ILLEGAL ORDER.

'i was just following orders' didn't work for the nazi's who were prosecuted, so why should it work for john kerry?

 

[TADHealth]

No, he did what every other person was doing, until he got back to the US and could try and fix the system. Had he pushed the envelope to far in 'Nam, the system would have fixed him.

 

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No, he did what every other person was doing, until he got back to the US and could try and fix the system. Had he pushed the envelope to far in 'Nam, the system would have fixed him.

once again, the 'we were just following orders' didnt stop the prosecution of nazi's, so why should john kerry get a pass?

maybe you should adjust your tin foil hat.

 

[Vash]

I've had enough from the both of them. The first one that has a commercial saying what they will do and not what they have done or what someone else has done is getting my vote. As you can guess neither now.

 

[TADHealth]

once again, the 'we were just following orders' didnt stop the prosecution of nazi's, so why should john kerry get a pass?

maybe you should adjust your tin foil hat.

I dont think he should get a free pass. But as far as him not following through on orders, we must know at what time did he figure out when something was wrong?

He was of the few to step to the forefront about it, and looked how he has been attacked about those actions. The majority of the Vietnam war and our actions regarding it have been very "questionable", to say the least.

 

[Burning_Inside]

who prosecuted the nazis and what do they have to do with anything?

"i was following orders" didint help ''""~```~"~++ of Serdius-R during the war trials of the Rygelian cluster either.

has to do with this how?

 

[coverguy]

Oliver North has no shred of credibility or clout.

My ass. Lt. Col North was a highly decorated military office with years of dedicated service to his country. You have to realize that he was the "fall guy" for things that occurred. Was he involved? Yes. Was he alone, or acting on orders? Think about it.

 

[coverguy]

OMFG already these people need to give it the fuck up.

"BOO HOO YOU SPOKE OUT AGAINST SOLDIERS WHEN YOU CAME HOME U SAID TEHY WERE RAPISTS AND STUFFZ0RZ!!!1"

Well no shit! I'd speak out agasint them also. Some were just plain scum, it's a known fact, and it's deplorable enough to have to go to war, never mind go over there and turn into a madman raping pre teens and whatnot. Fuck those cocksuckers, I don't care if they were U.S soldiers or not, anyone who does that stuff is a piece of shit. It was an excuse to turn into madmen and like it.

As a civilian you can speak out against whatever the hell you want, it's your right. As a contracted member of the Armed Forces of the United States of America, you live by different laws. Civilians never truly understand the seperate subculture of the military. For example, if you cheat on your wife it means you may get a divorce. If a member of the military does, he is breaking several articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and is therefore subject to judicial punishment within the military system. What Kerry did was reprehensible on many fronts. You must remember that Kerry was still a member of the military (reserve component,) even though he was home from the war. First of all it was in the very least Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer. His conduct could have been enough to merit an Other that Honorable Discharge from the military, which would have sunk his political career immediately. On several other fronts, his command could have pulled him back into active service for his actions and demoted or even jailed him. Breaking the chain of command is another action he is responsible of committing. In the military it is your duty to report misdoings, or your issues, up your chain of command to get them changed. You do not circumvent this process for your own glory or justification. These are just two ways in which Kerry's actions were wrong.

I know, you still don't see the merit in this arguement. Why? Because you have never had the honor, courage or committment to put your life on the line for your country. To bind yourself to a stricter social code, not for your own benefit, but for the benefit of those unable and unwilling to protect themselves.