blood work back from doctors

[rockstar6181]

I have noticed a great decrease in sex drive and growth of glands under the nipple(gyno) in last few years.

I have had my blood work taken twice in last 4 months

first test was at 3pm Oct 06

test- 9.5 (8-27)
estrogen 32 (10-60)
LH 1.9 (1.5-18)
FSH 2.0 (1.4-18)

2nd Test 8.30am Dec 06

Test- 18.7 (9.9-27.8)
LH- 2.3 iu/L (1.7-8)
FSH- 2.7 iu/L (1.5-12.4)
Prolactin- 343 miu/L (<700.0)
Estrogen -31 (10-60)


Doctors said all is normal, I have just turend 26 and would like to start a steroid cycle after training natrual for last 3 years.

Do my levels above look ok? Am thinking of doing 250mg per week, I know everyone is different but what would that translate approx in blood work? Also I plan to use an AI along with it.

I know my numebrs maybe arent low enough for permanent HRT but I cant help but feel I have low levels on paper and my symptoms of lack of sex drive, v low seaman amounts, smallish testicales all add up to needing some form of HRT?

 

[Neo22]

I think bc your fsh levels are so low it COULD be a problem but what do iknow

 

[Cucumber_Jones]

Doctors are never going to appease your vanity. Moderation is the key.

 

[JetCityDude]

Your LH is on the low side. LH is that signals the body to produce testosterone.

What type of doctor are you going to. You may want to look into a Urologist, one that specializes in male sexual dysfunction and they are more open to listening to you regarding Testosterone levels.

I am going to be on TRT for life. 100 mg/wk of test got my level to 550 ng/Dl. 150 brought me to 1055, so the doc is lowering me to 125/week. For comparison, the lab I go to for testing, LabCorp, has ranges for 241-827. My doc is targetting me for 680-750, somewhere around there. I was 291 when I started.

Can you be more specific about the estrogen test? It needs to be a "senstive" test and what you really want is Estradiol (E2), which may be what was tested. The current number, if Estradiol, is decent. It can't go too low as that is bad too. When I took the 150 mg/test, my E2 went to 66. That is a little high and I am currently not taking any ant-aromatose yet. My doc believes in getting one thing working at a time.

Your numbers may very well be low enough for permanent TRT. Keep in mind that the ranges given are for all men, not men in your age range. That number takes into effect the 90 year old dudes on life support, etc. Ideally, one could find out why they are that low. For me, we don't know, but speculate that taking "Propecia" for hair loss back in 1997 did something bad to me.

The FSH is for your sperm production.


I started TRT in November and I feel awesome every day. I even get erections in the day for no reason, just like when I was 20. This stuff rocks.

Personally, I recomend you find a Urologist, one who is MALE, and he will help you out. Do not go to a female doctor. I went to one and she said as long as I could get an erection, I was ok.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I have noticed a great decrease in sex drive and growth of glands under the nipple(gyno) in last few years.

I have had my blood work taken twice in last 4 months

first test was at 3pm Oct 06

test- 9.5 (8-27)
estrogen 32 (10-60)
LH 1.9 (1.5-18)
FSH 2.0 (1.4-18)

2nd Test 8.30am Dec 06

Test- 18.7 (9.9-27.8)
LH- 2.3 iu/L (1.7-8)
FSH- 2.7 iu/L (1.5-12.4)
Prolactin- 343 miu/L (<700.0)
Estrogen -31 (10-60)


Doctors said all is normal, I have just turend 26 and would like to start a steroid cycle after training natrual for last 3 years.

Do my levels above look ok? Am thinking of doing 250mg per week, I know everyone is different but what would that translate approx in blood work? Also I plan to use an AI along with it.

I know my numebrs maybe arent low enough for permanent HRT but I cant help but feel I have low levels on paper and my symptoms of lack of sex drive, v low seaman amounts, smallish testicales all add up to needing some form of HRT?

Sorry, but are you currently on HRT? Is the HRT responsible for the testosterone increase? -PP

 

[rockstar6181]

I am not currently on anything, also noticed these symptoms ever since using propecia back in 2003(was on it for about 4 months) totally killed my sex drive, never recovered from that.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I am not currently on anything, also noticed these symptoms ever since using propecia back in 2003(was on it for about 4 months) totally killed my sex drive, never recovered from that.

Have you ever had your DHT/androsterone levels checked? Do you have urination issues?

-PP

 

[rockstar6181]

not had those checked but will look into seeing if i can get a full hormal test done again to see where i am at, thanks for ur time and advice.

 

[JetCityDude]

Add a Prostate Specific Antigen (PSA) test to the list also.

 

[D_Mac]

Wow 2 guys both nailed by Propecia, is this a widespread phenomenon. How exactly does Propecia work, does it inhibit 5a-reductose enzyme conversion of Test to DHT?. I know bringing DHT too low will hurt sex drive, I wonder if propecia brought DHT too low, possibly androstanedione and androsterone as well??

Are there any lawsuits out there going after propecia? Were there warnings about loss of sexual function from it?

-D

 

[rockstar6181]

they had a very few percent that had sexual side effects from propecia but went away after discontinting the drug- however that was in the studys and I bet my last dollar they covered up the truth as there are so many cases of people having ongoing problems with propecia after stopping, sometimes years later.

I would never touch propciea again, horrible drug

 

[Zircon]

first test was at 3pm Oct 06

test- 9.5 (8-27)
estrogen 32 (10-60)
LH 1.9 (1.5-18)
FSH 2.0 (1.4-18)

2nd Test 8.30am Dec 06

Test- 18.7 (9.9-27.8)
LH- 2.3 iu/L (1.7-8)
FSH- 2.7 iu/L (1.5-12.4)
Prolactin- 343 miu/L (<700.0)
Estrogen -31 (10-60)

what I find very interesting is the variation in test level you have 3 pm to 8:30 am.

It is huge. I myself tested 16 at 4pm...haven't tried morning yet. will do.

 

[rockstar6181]

yeah it is worrying how much mine drop off during the day, there is a good chance that by tea time I am running on under the ranges.

If yours is 16 at 4pm I would guess it will be a fair bit higher in the morning.

Many people say to have the test done first thing in the morning but others say this gives a faluse reading as in the morning levels will be elervated anyway.

whats everyones take on this

 

[Zircon]

I'm not sure to be honest.

Like I said the general consensus seems that your wellbeing etc is more linked to free test than total test. COmments on this?

As for your test dropping off...yeh I would say the dropoff is a bit too much. I don't know tho.

I think your next course of action is an 8 am test fro free test and total test, and speak to the endo abotu it (a man). Then ask about afternoon test.

do yuou feel worse in afternoon or morning? I'm not a morning person...generally I feel best in the day during the time that mine was taken, at 4pm. thats also when i start my training.