Blood Pressure ?

[melochai]

A buddy of mine is wanting to start up again, but his blood pressure is kinda high. It's not dangerously high, just a little elevated. He plans on taking some blood pressure meds to help if it gets too much hiugher. So my question is what kind of reaction, if any, will the blood pressure meds have with the juice. I hate to lose a good friend over something stupid, so thanks for the info.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

juice will raise his BP. Most fo the compounds from what I understand have the tendency to do so. Tell him to get his BP in check before starting AS or better yet not do it at all. what was his BP?

 

[CASS]

i use diovan at 80mgs per day

 

[Selene]

A buddy of mine is wanting to start up again, but his blood pressure is kinda high. It's not dangerously high, just a little elevated. He plans on taking some blood pressure meds to help if it gets too much hiugher. So my question is what kind of reaction, if any, will the blood pressure meds have with the juice. I hate to lose a good friend over something stupid, so thanks for the info.

The AAS will more then likely increase his blood pressure, so he should wait until he is on the bp meds and his pressure is stabilized before using AAS

 

[halfcenturian]

Gear raises most everyones BP. However, some it's 140/90, no big deal. But other guys go waaaay up. My Dr. , who is very cool and knowledgable about gear says, "If you get above 160/100.... your in the red zone." So either go on BP meds, keep it at or below the red zone, or don't do steroids.

 

[todoveritas]

Most AAS will raise the blood pressure. Some worse than others (E.g test, tren, d-bol, Anadrol). If your diastolic rises above 100 then anti-hypertensives are advised. Prinivil, captopril or other ACE-inhibitiors are best choices.

 

[vitamix]

i use diovan at 80mgs per day

Yup. Keeps it low and helps with water retention.

 

[leftie]

A buddy of mine is wanting to start up again, but his blood pressure is kinda high. It's not dangerously high, just a little elevated. He plans on taking some blood pressure meds to help if it gets too much hiugher. So my question is what kind of reaction, if any, will the blood pressure meds have with the juice. I hate to lose a good friend over something stupid, so thanks for the info.

Well you left out some critical information such as his blood pressure starting point, the actual numbers and also any other information about body size/type and history.
IF he were my patient, which he aint, I'd make sure he got his bp under control before he started any AAS.

The reason why blood pressure is raised is because it influences aldosterone, another steroid molecule (cholesterol base rings are steroids including birth control pills). It acts to retain salt in the body, this leads to increased blood pressure.

Now, diovan is a good drug, I usually prescribe altace and take it myself. It is also an ace inhibitor. Which means angiotensin (I,II) inhibitor. Basically another control mediator compound in the kidneys.
Why is an ace inhibitor good? Because the kidney is like a thermostat, some people's are just naturally set high, you take an ace inhibitor to turn down the amount of fluid that is held in the body which relieves fluid pressure in your hydraulic system.
Sort like a release valve, lower the kidney thermostat, lower the fluid and blood pressure.
You can do this in combination with a diuretic and I would recommend a milder one that lasix such as hydroclorothiazide. It works on a different part of the nephronic tube and has more room for error than a loop diuretic such as lasix (less potassium loss).

When you take AAS, it raises the aldosterone which is what angiotensin converting enzyme does a step before, so it basically helps offset the increased level of aldosterone, which leads to less salt retention.

Your buddy can also most likely lower his blood pressure by cutting his salt intake by 1/3. Recent studies have shown that mortality is also decreased by 1/3 when that is does. This lowers blood pressure as well.

Why would you care about bp at all?
Well if you have high blood pressure to begin with, you may be at risk for developing a malignant blood pressure, which is 210/120. Which usually results in death in 3-6months.
It is a rare but serious problem.

Also, with increase of afterload on the heart, the heart is a muscle and responds to steroids as well, it has to lift weights or PUSH against the increase pressure in the arterial system. This leads to a meatball heart, meaning left ventricular hypertrophy. Which leads to several complications, of which I do not feel like typing right now. But the cardiovascular system is my specialty

 

[shaz29]

Well you left out some critical information such as his blood pressure starting point, the actual numbers and also any other information about body size/type and history.
IF he were my patient, which he aint, I'd make sure he got his bp under control before he started any AAS.

The reason why blood pressure is raised is because it influences aldosterone, another steroid molecule (cholesterol base rings are steroids including birth control pills). It acts to retain salt in the body, this leads to increased blood pressure.

Now, diovan is a good drug, I usually prescribe altace and take it myself. It is also an ace inhibitor. Which means angiotensin (I,II) inhibitor. Basically another control mediator compound in the kidneys.
Why is an ace inhibitor good? Because the kidney is like a thermostat, some people's are just naturally set high, you take an ace inhibitor to turn down the amount of fluid that is held in the body which relieves fluid pressure in your hydraulic system.
Sort like a release valve, lower the kidney thermostat, lower the fluid and blood pressure.
You can do this in combination with a diuretic and I would recommend a milder one that lasix such as hydroclorothiazide. It works on a different part of the nephronic tube and has more room for error than a loop diuretic such as lasix (less potassium loss).

When you take AAS, it raises the aldosterone which is what angiotensin converting enzyme does a step before, so it basically helps offset the increased level of aldosterone, which leads to less salt retention.

Your buddy can also most likely lower his blood pressure by cutting his salt intake by 1/3. Recent studies have shown that mortality is also decreased by 1/3 when that is does. This lowers blood pressure as well.

Why would you care about bp at all?
Well if you have high blood pressure to begin with, you may be at risk for developing a malignant blood pressure, which is 210/120. Which usually results in death in 3-6months.
It is a rare but serious problem.

Also, with increase of afterload on the heart, the heart is a muscle and responds to steroids as well, it has to lift weights or PUSH against the increase pressure in the arterial system. This leads to a meatball heart, meaning left ventricular hypertrophy. Which leads to several complications, of which I do not feel like typing right now. But the cardiovascular system is my specialty

are u a doc?

 

[ironclaw]

A buddy of mine is wanting to start up again, but his blood pressure is kinda high. It's not dangerously high, just a little elevated. He plans on taking some blood pressure meds to help if it gets too much hiugher. So my question is what kind of reaction, if any, will the blood pressure meds have with the juice. I hate to lose a good friend over something stupid, so thanks for the info.

he should definitly get the bp under control with some otc supplements or prescribed meds before he starts a cycle. and then just monitor it and make sure youre not getting ready to stroke out or something. MY bp has been a problem over the past couple of months, my doc put me on meds, 2 different ones at that, and its back under control now. There shouldnt be any reactions from the bp meds and the gear.