Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignore...

[gjohnson5]

Re: Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignor

What?? Dude I hate your posts, gyno? Not everyone gets it, just use slow acting shit and you'll be fine.

Hair loss? If it runs in the family, you got it!

Permanent HPTA shutdown?? And you're gonna back this up with what???

Reduced sperm count permanentely? Again this is not for everybody.

Dude, nobody's going to have liver problems unless they do dbol year round and 1g a day. And staying away from oral steroids? You gotta be kidding me. Quit posting bullshit like this, you sound like the MEDIA!

I was gonna say... To quote the late Gorilla Monsoon, "this is a faountain of misinformation"

 

[Mo T 4 Me]

Re: Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignor

THIS is the exact same reason I had a heart attack 4 weeks ago! I had a blood clot that blocked my main coronary artery on the right side of my heart. Long story but Basically It was because of all the anti e's I used. Hell I striped all estrogen and prolactin out of my body and did not know how dangerous that was until it was too late.

My arteries where fine my BP was always borderline. 140/80 My cholesterol was fine BUT they said I did not have enough good cholesterol and that can be the same as the bad. I took my last shot Mid July and had a heart attack August 30.

They did a very through blood work and could not find anything that would cause a guy my age to have clots. They said steroids can cause thickening of the blood but they. I did some research on my own and I am almost positive that is what caused it.

Is there a post where you explain why you think it happened because of the anti E?

 

[KA-BAR]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186273&page=5&pp=20

 

[got2getripped]

THIS is the exact same reason I had a heart attack 4 weeks ago! I had a blood clot that blocked my main coronary artery on the right side of my heart. Long story but Basically It was because of all the anti e's I used. Hell I striped all estrogen and prolactin out of my body and did not know how dangerous that was until it was too late.

My arteries where fine my BP was always borderline. 140/80 My cholesterol was fine BUT they said I did not have enough good cholesterol and that can be the same as the bad. I took my last shot Mid July and had a heart attack August 30.

They did a very through blood work and could not find anything that would cause a guy my age to have clots. They said steroids can cause thickening of the blood but they. I did some research on my own and I am almost positive that is what caused it.

How old are you?

What about Blood pressure medication I was prescribed Propranolol for a blood vessel I damaged in my neck that would cause major migrain headaches whenever my blood pressure rose. My doctor told me to take it 30 min before a workout and it helped a lot, but I saved em because the vessel healed and my headaches went away. Wouldn't it be good to take a medication like this for people at risk of heart attacks to help manage BP especially while working out?

 

[KA-BAR]

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[Guvna]

what compounds were your staples KA-BAR? Sorry to hear about the heart attack too, that really sucks, glad you made it through though...

 

[frogleggs]

This is a great thread! I have been SO worried about lipid profile while I have been off and on cycles. My chol, LDL, and HDL have all been great up until i started using AAS-that is when they started going haywire, but never too extreme. I take Niacin now and policosanol ALL the time. The worst my HDL has been was 38, and my doctor recc Niacin and aspirin daily (family history of heart disease is strong). Now I'm thinking about doing another inj only cycle, but hesitant. Anyway, it is VERY VERY important to monitor lipid profile and BP during a AAS cycle.

 

[psychedout]

What?? Dude I hate your posts, gyno? Not everyone gets it, just use slow acting shit and you'll be fine.

Hair loss? If it runs in the family, you got it!

Permanent HPTA shutdown?? And you're gonna back this up with what???

Reduced sperm count permanentely? Again this is not for everybody.

Dude, nobody's going to have liver problems unless they do dbol year round and 1g a day. And staying away from oral steroids? You gotta be kidding me. Quit posting bullshit like this, you sound like the MEDIA!

LOLOLOLOL at you!

You completely missed the point of my post, and to be honest, I don't even think you read it properly if at all. You clearly aren't very smart.

If you were gyno prone, the last thing you would do is use slow acting AAS. You would use fast AAS.

The hair loss battle can be won -- even if genes are against you -- I know several individuals who are the winning side.

If you read where I discuss the liver -- you will see how I state that it is an amazing organ that can repair itself. And I said if you have liver problems STAY AWAY FROM ORALS. Good god! I cannot believe your bullshit.

I said permanetly reduced sperm count is a possibility of extended AAS use -- where did I say it happens to everyone? I don't see anywhere.

I sound like the media?!?! LoLoLoL. Right buddy.... right......

 

[view]

good post and good points!

karma to you.

i can say that in the beginning, i was someone foolish when it came to things like this. now when im i check the bloodpressure regularly and cholesterol too. when off i am not soo particular.

overall i would say the bbing community is becoming more aware of these issues -- however there is still a long way to go.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Lets talk side effects of AAS use for a bit.

Blood pressure and cholesterol are the 2 most serious side effects that can come of AAS use. These side effects are regulary linked to death.

Lets list some sides to get us thinking:

Liver problems -- the liver is quite an amazing organ. It has the ability to repair itself. Throw in some milk thistle, NAC, Tylers Liver Detox, Liv-52, whatever your hearts content, and you should have no problems here... ever! Unless you push the definition of abuse to the extreme -- but we are considering normal AAS users.

Acne -- there is nothing physcially harmful about having acne.

Roid rage -- don't tell me its a myth. Drugs such as tren and halo have been known to dispell this myth. But as a side effect, it really isn't deterimental to health, unless of course you get killed in a fight brought on by rage -- however most of us are responsible and would not let such an incident happen.

Permanent HTPA shutdown -- what does this mean? You will permanently have low testosterone levels while not cycling. A general decrease in the feeling of overall wellbeing and mood will occur, but nothing physically that can kill you.

Gyno (aka bitch tits) -- sure having a nice set of double D boobs is nice, but not when you are the one who has them. Nonetheless this side effect poses no threat to physical health.

Hair loss -- one of the most common side effects out there; once again no risk whatsoever to physical health.

Prostate enlargement -- increases the risk of prostate cancer. Not a direct effect on death however.

Permanently Reduced Sperm Count (sterilization) -- no being able to have children would be mentally difficult; however, there are no physical side effects. Adoption may be a good idea here.


Here is how these side effects are commonly and regularly combatted:

Liver problems -- various liver protectors listed above; or simply stay away from oral usage.

Acne -- accutane (under doctor supervision), vit b5, gugglesterones, etc.

Roid rage -- control yourself; step back and take a deep breath.

HPTA shutdown -- taking proper time off between cycles, running a heavy PCT, etc.

Gyno -- liquidex and femera are most commonly used, as well as nolvadex. Gyno surgery is usually the last resort -- for extreme situations normally.

Hair loss -- finasteride, nizoral shampoo, etc; there are 100's of hairloss products out there

Prostate enlargement -- finasteride and saw palmetto are prostate friendly agents.

Permanently Reduced Sperm Count (sterilization) -- taking time off between cycles is really what most people do to avoid this.


What is my point of all of this?

A large portion of the bodybuilding community goes through great steps to ensure some side effects (as listed above) are kept under control.

Yet cholesterol and bloodpressure are largely neglected.

You don't see many people adding Polisocanol and Niacin to a cycle to control cholesterol. Nor do you see people adding Coenzyme Q10 or Garlic to their cycles. And how often do you here: 'I am bulking, but still doing cardio to help control blood pressure and cholesterol' -- not often enough.

My point is hereby as follows: 'The two most serious side effects out there; high blood pressure and bad cholesterol are the two most neglected side effects out there. Why? Why? Why?'

Last time i checked you only live once...once youre gone you wont have to worry about anything...be smart but take risks