Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignore...

[SuperDawgy]

Great post bro! K to ya ass!

 

[F buddy]

NOW THE $64,000.00 question!
Can you safely take statins with 17aa agents?

 

[F buddy]

NOW THE $64,000.00 question!
Can you safely take statins with 17aa agents?

BTW, ( fire extinguisher ready), I think the answer is yes!

 

[NoWork]

BTW, ( fire extinguisher ready), I think the answer is yes!

That's all going to depend on your definition of safe. IMO, I don't think statins OR 17-aa's are "safe".

 

[yomama]

Lets talk side effects of AAS use for a bit.

Blood pressure and cholesterol are the 2 most serious side effects that can come of AAS use. These side effects are regulary linked to death.

Lets list some sides to get us thinking:

Liver problems -- the liver is quite an amazing organ. It has the ability to repair itself. Throw in some milk thistle, NAC, Tylers Liver Detox, Liv-52, whatever your hearts content, and you should have no problems here... ever! Unless you push the definition of abuse to the extreme -- but we are considering normal AAS users.

Acne -- there is nothing physcially harmful about having acne.

Roid rage -- don't tell me its a myth. Drugs such as tren and halo have been known to dispell this myth. But as a side effect, it really isn't deterimental to health, unless of course you get killed in a fight brought on by rage -- however most of us are responsible and would not let such an incident happen.

Permanent HTPA shutdown -- what does this mean? You will permanently have low testosterone levels while not cycling. A general decrease in the feeling of overall wellbeing and mood will occur, but nothing physically that can kill you.

Gyno (aka bitch tits) -- sure having a nice set of double D boobs is nice, but not when you are the one who has them. Nonetheless this side effect poses no threat to physical health.

Hair loss -- one of the most common side effects out there; once again no risk whatsoever to physical health.

Prostate enlargement -- increases the risk of prostate cancer. Not a direct effect on death however.

Permanently Reduced Sperm Count (sterilization) -- no being able to have children would be mentally difficult; however, there are no physical side effects. Adoption may be a good idea here.


Here is how these side effects are commonly and regularly combatted:

Liver problems -- various liver protectors listed above; or simply stay away from oral usage.

Acne -- accutane (under doctor supervision), vit b5, gugglesterones, etc.

Roid rage -- control yourself; step back and take a deep breath.

HPTA shutdown -- taking proper time off between cycles, running a heavy PCT, etc.

Gyno -- liquidex and femera are most commonly used, as well as nolvadex. Gyno surgery is usually the last resort -- for extreme situations normally.

Hair loss -- finasteride, nizoral shampoo, etc; there are 100's of hairloss products out there

Prostate enlargement -- finasteride and saw palmetto are prostate friendly agents.

Permanently Reduced Sperm Count (sterilization) -- taking time off between cycles is really what most people do to avoid this.


What is my point of all of this?

A large portion of the bodybuilding community goes through great steps to ensure some side effects (as listed above) are kept under control.

Yet cholesterol and bloodpressure are largely neglected.

You don't see many people adding Polisocanol and Niacin to a cycle to control cholesterol. Nor do you see people adding Coenzyme Q10 or Garlic to their cycles. And how often do you here: 'I am bulking, but still doing cardio to help control blood pressure and cholesterol' -- not often enough.

My point is hereby as follows: 'The two most serious side effects out there; high blood pressure and bad cholesterol are the two most neglected side effects out there. Why? Why? Why?'

What?? Dude I hate your posts, gyno? Not everyone gets it, just use slow acting shit and you'll be fine.

Hair loss? If it runs in the family, you got it!

Permanent HPTA shutdown?? And you're gonna back this up with what???

Reduced sperm count permanentely? Again this is not for everybody.

Dude, nobody's going to have liver problems unless they do dbol year round and 1g a day. And staying away from oral steroids? You gotta be kidding me. Quit posting bullshit like this, you sound like the MEDIA!

 

[=Viking=]

How much do you think Cholesterol is raised while on, and how long are those levels high. That is why it is not a real concern. If you already have high levels then you are adding to a preexisting problem.

Most guys are on for only 10-15 weeks. That is not a long time.
I have had naturally high Cholesterol (in the 300’s) my whole life. I am 37 and had a series of heart tests. No BLOCKAGE! My levels have been high for years, so 10 weeks is not much time. I do need to take medication now, but the problem went undetected for years.

I would advise that everyone get their levels checked. Not everyone is fortunate like me.

I would not panic about Cholesterol increase from AAS use. Most AAS users compensate with a good diet that then helps levels.

 

[NoWork]

How much do you think Cholesterol is raised while on, and how long are those levels high. That is why it is not a real concern. If you already have high levels then you are adding to a preexisting problem.

Most guys are on for only 10-15 weeks. That is not a long time.
I have had naturally high Cholesterol (in the 300’s) my whole life. I am 37 and had a series of heart tests. No BLOCKAGE! My levels have been high for years, so 10 weeks is not much time. I do need to take medication now, but the problem went undetected for years.

I would advise that everyone get their levels checked. Not everyone is fortunate like me.

I would not panic about Cholesterol increase from AAS use. Most AAS users compensate with a good diet that then helps levels.

Yes, 10-15 weeks AT A TIME. If you consider the general rule of time on equals time off (which alot of people are never off), that's half of every year with sometimes dangerously high levels. Over a lifetime of juicing, that's a long time w/ elevated levels. This of course all depends on what you take.

 

[boogersnax]

Right On! Bro. I found out about cholesterol and the end of my last cycle. My main problem was trying to rid myself of estrogen. My LDL was 190 and my HDL was 15! My doc put me on Lipotor. In 2 weeks my LDL was 70 and my HDL was 30. I've always had a good cholesterol profile until AAS use. Now I know what I need to monitor more closely.

 

[bigmusclehead]

Lets talk side effects of AAS use for a bit.

ok so cholesterol is a problem for most on a cycle would it be prudent to use lipitor or statin drug on a cycle,policonasols,really don't seem to work for some.

 

[KA-BAR]

THIS is the exact same reason I had a heart attack 4 weeks ago! I had a blood clot that blocked my main coronary artery on the right side of my heart. Long story but Basically It was because of all the anti e's I used. Hell I striped all estrogen and prolactin out of my body and did not know how dangerous that was until it was too late.

My arteries where fine my BP was always borderline. 140/80 My cholesterol was fine BUT they said I did not have enough good cholesterol and that can be the same as the bad. I took my last shot Mid July and had a heart attack August 30.

They did a very through blood work and could not find anything that would cause a guy my age to have clots. They said steroids can cause thickening of the blood but they. I did some research on my own and I am almost positive that is what caused it.

Right On! Bro. I found out about cholesterol and the end of my last cycle. My main problem was trying to rid myself of estrogen. My LDL was 190 and my HDL was 15! My doc put me on Lipotor. In 2 weeks my LDL was 70 and my HDL was 30. I've always had a good cholesterol profile until AAS use. Now I know what I need to monitor more closely.