Bill L says that Durabolin is best for females

[Snow White]

Spatts

You are correct, it's not a typical cycle. I choose primo, which btw is 100mg, for it's harding and slimming effect on me. When I cycle, I tend not to eat a lot and thus the primo has a muscle sparing effect as well. I am also a big deca fan, but find that stacking deca with sust is waaay too harsh and that combo makes me retain a ton of h20. Last year, when I stacked winnie with primo, my face got a very drawn, pulled look that I didn't care for too much although the body got real hard, lean and veiny.

So, I find that the sust (duratest) and the primo is an ideal combo for me. My body reacts well to this particular combo. I was even thinking of spacing out the sust at a shorter interval, say every 15 days to see what happens.

 

[AmazingCollosalMan]

Superanabol

Superanabol - nandrolone phenylpropionate 25 mg

Is this the same thing?

how much is needed per week?

two or one?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

First of all, those 'androgenicity' assays are done in tissue culture, not on humans. Extrapolating from TC to whole organisms is dodgy at the best of times. I put more stock in real world results rather than lab-based assays. It seems to me Bill is making a blanket statement based entirely on an androgenicity/anabolic ratio determioned in a lab, and may have little or no experience with women who have actually compared it to other AAS.

Actually the assays put oxandrolone and primo above nandrolone. My ranking is based more on a combination of empirical evidence, LA/VP/SV ratios, and enzyme distribution in humans. I think it would be something like nandrolone<oxandrolone<primo<winny in terms of androgenicity. That is just my opinion though.

Second, Anavar shows low liver toxicity at doses likely to be used by most women. I would worry more about oral birth control pills that some women take for their whole reproductive life without ever cycling.

I wouldn't if you mean it is safe for very regular use. They carry essentially the same alteration, yet birth control pills contain much less steroid. This is probably why they are taken safely for years by women, whereas oral androgens routinely cause janudice if used for long periods.

Winny, at doses taken by pro females, is a little more of a concern for the liver, but again, as long as the cycles are short and infrequent, it's a small risk.

Agreed. Oxandrolone is probably the least toxic c-17aa.

I entirely agree that phenylprop is preferable to decanoate for women, as is any shorter acting ester compared to a longer acting ester. Even better IMHO is unesterified.

Someone will cash on this idea someday I'm sure.

Of course many pro females take test. That's a no-brainer. You will also never see a study comparing AAS in healthy young women. Boards like this one are as close as you'll ever get to that kind of study. It will never be placebo controlled, randomized, double-blind cross over LOL, but it's the best we've got for now. From that perspective, pro women are probably the worst females to gauge AAS side effects from. They inevitably mix or stack varying anabolic agents making it impossible to tell which sides are coming from which AAS, or if it's a synergistic effect.

And it is also a touchy subject because there are very different types of steroid using females, and some are quite adventurous compared to others. I tend to err on the side of taking minimal risks with the potential permanent side effects involved.

I also don't have much first hand experience here either, being a man and all.

- Bill

 

[NubianBeauty]

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[w84me]

bump ... 2 questions
(1) nandrolone phenylpropionate ... I've read in this post once a week (50mg) and every 2 days ... talking to someone else, they suggested daily low doses ...
(2) anything needed to be taken in-between-cycles of nandro?

 

[w84me]

thanks Spatts ... deca for the between?

 

[w84me]

gotcha ... any ideas for keeping the mass on after cycle?

 

[w84me]

eating? I have no problems with that! love that chicken & tuna ...

 

[w84me]

... oh I remember that one ... don't worry, my one snack is popcorn (no sweets here either) ... oh boy - - I see the shadows approaching - - run!