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Bill L says that Durabolin is best for females

First of all, those 'androgenicity' assays are done in tissue culture, not on humans. Extrapolating from TC to whole organisms is dodgy at the best of times. I put more stock in real world results rather than lab-based assays. It seems to me Bill is making a blanket statement based entirely on an androgenicity/anabolic ratio determioned in a lab, and may have little or no experience with women who have actually compared it to other AAS.

Second, Anavar shows low liver toxicity at doses likely to be used by most women. I would worry more about oral birth control pills that some women take for their whole reproductive life without ever cycling. Winny, at doses taken by pro females, is a little more of a concern for the liver, but again, as long as the cycles are short and infrequent, it's a small risk.

I entirely agree that phenylprop is preferable to decanoate for women, as is any shorter acting ester compared to a longer acting ester. Even better IMHO is unesterified.

Of course many pro females take test. That's a no-brainer. You will also never see a study comparing AAS in healthy young women. Boards like this one are as close as you'll ever get to that kind of study. It will never be placebo controlled, randomized, double-blind cross over LOL, but it's the best we've got for now. From that perspective, pro women are probably the worst females to gauge AAS side effects from. They inevitably mix or stack varying anabolic agents making it impossible to tell which sides are coming from which AAS, or if it's a synergistic effect.

Hvaing said all of that, if nandrolone phenylprop was easily, cheaply and reliably available, I suspect it would be a lot more popular amogst women.
 
I wish Bill was here:(

Oh, by the way Nandolone phenylpropionate is now fairly readily available from HB labs in India for only $11 retail for 2cc, 100mg per ml!

And...my two girl pals that I mentioned a while back now use ONLY Nadrolone and anavar. NOT one side affect, other than a little very mior acne. I will try to get them on board here.
quote from Jami " I have had far greater gains since dumping primo and winny for Durabolin and fewer side affect as well":mix:
 
I take 50mg on occasion when I am feeling down, I love it :) I would take it 50mg every 7 days if I wasn't leaning down right now :)
 
Lobo...
What is everyone saying when it comes to sides though? (fotr the long term test use) Using any kind of test, how would it be for the enlargement and voice issues?? I'm a big fan of deca and yes I've got those sides, not in excess but I wonder what the comparison is when it comes to sides w/ deca over test at those dosages? Right now I'm doing 100mgs Deca e7d, probably will go for 10-12 weeks... What are your thoughts on this? (I need to put on as much size as possible! *with minimal sides of couse* hehe)

--IQ
 
BG, which ester are you using? I know ann is using prop and loving it. I am still waiting on an update from her cycle(30mg prop, 10mg anavar).:(
 
Clearly girls test will give WAY MORE SIDES compaired to an equal dose of Nadrolone. Even 100mg of deca per week is way less than 75 of test. You are compairing a very strong androgen to a very weak androgen...apples and oranges girls, really! Heck nandrolone is a great hormone and more than enough for all but perhaps some pro's. It sure kicks the crap out of winny or primo for muscle gains with most.

I would be very careful with test...but obviously it is done and some get away with it. Still it is interesting to hear from you that have used modest doses of test and liked it.:)
 
Oh make darn sure you stay with a fast ester of test if you do use it...prop would be a good choice. If sides start getting bad then it is out fairly quickly.
WARNING!
A big drop in the voice tone can come on very quickly girls, unlike enlargement down below,...and the voice DOES NOT recover!
 
Realgains said:
Clearly girls test will give WAY MORE SIDES compaired to an equal dose of Nadrolone. Even 100mg of deca per week is way less than 75 of test. You are compairing a very strong androgen to a very weak androgen...apples and oranges girls, really! Heck nandrolone is a great hormone and more than enough for all but perhaps some pro's. It sure kicks the crap out of winny or primo for muscle gains with most.

I would be very careful with test...but obviously it is done and some get away with it. Still it is interesting to hear from you that have used modest doses of test and liked it.:)

I see what your saying Realgains but I think for an offseason type of drug, not using it in a real cycle... In low doses of course. I wouldnt just take 100 of deca and take the same amount of test and think its the same... How much is the comparable dose and how much can you take to get good gains w/ low sides? I know everyone is different but what is the general concensus when it comes to test use and women? Especially for the ones that use it year round?
 
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