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have never used aas's before and am relying on you guys for best advice please. what would you say was the best oral (not ito the injectables at all !) steroid out there for increase in mass with the minimum side's bloating , gyno issues etc... and waht sort of dosage would i need to be taking of it to make good gains and for how long ?
i am 37, 200lb, 5'11" been training for 15 years on and off but seriously with diet and routine sorted for 2 years.

thanks guys

hodgey
 
Hodgey said:
have never used aas's before and am relying on you guys for best advice please. what would you say was the best oral (not ito the injectables at all !) steroid out there for increase in mass with the minimum side's bloating , gyno issues etc... and waht sort of dosage would i need to be taking of it to make good gains and for how long ?
i am 37, 200lb, 5'11" been training for 15 years on and off but seriously with diet and routine sorted for 2 years.

thanks guys

hodgey
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At 37 y/o, the best way to go for you is straight test. Oral only cycles are not a good way to go.
 
Hodgey said:
have never used aas's before and am relying on you guys for best advice please. what would you say was the best oral (not ito the injectables at all !) steroid out there for increase in mass with the minimum side's bloating , gyno issues etc... and waht sort of dosage would i need to be taking of it to make good gains and for how long ?
i am 37, 200lb, 5'11" been training for 15 years on and off but seriously with diet and routine sorted for 2 years.

thanks guys

hodgey
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If you're not going to inject ever, then aas are not for you bro. Orals are not where its at, so either inject or go on natty.
 
Agreed..oral only cycles are not beneficial...they are if you stack them with an injectable...Test is king and to be in the throne you need to inject. If not then AAS is not for you my friend.
 
I will not joint the chorus and try to discourage you - enough are piling on already.

T-Bol would probably be a good start for you at 50mg per day. Read as much as you can about using orals and take precautions (Liver cleansers, etc.) if you decide to go that route.

Anavar would be a second choice starter drug for you again at 50mg daily.

For all oral cycles you want to limit time on to 6 - 8 weeks.

If you are opposed to injecting you may want to consider transdermals.
 
DBBT said:
If you're not going to inject ever, then aas are not for you bro. Orals are not where its at, so either inject or go on natty.
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DBBT stop acting like a superman here. We`ve seen your pics and to tell you the trueth my grandmom is more jacked than you.
Its no secret that most newbies have needlefobia and their first cycle experience is usually dbol or oral winny. I`m not an exception my first cycle was dbol only and Iwas shocked when few guys at the gym told me they are using few steroids at a time! :)
I`d recommend Turanabol or dbol cycle for a first timer with a needlefobia :)
 
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Retabolil2 said:
DBBT stop acting like a superman here. We`ve seen your pics and to tell you the trueth my grandmom is more jacked than you.
Its no secret that most newbies have needlefobia and their first cycle experience is usually dbol or oral winny. I`m not an exception my first cycle was dbol only and Iwas shocked when few guys at the gym told me they are using few steroids at a time! :)
I`d recommend Turanabol or dbol cycle for a first timer with a needlefobia :)
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this man is really desperate here...someon help him out and get some tabs...RET i see you're damn eye surgery didn't work, tough luck. Ugly stick hurts don't it!
 
You can do tabs if you're not trying to go pro bodybuiler. Andriol and Anavar work well, and they work well together, if you can get them. Not easy tabs to find.
 
Have to disagree with most of you guys. I have done some Tbol only cycles and was happy with my gains. Granted you arent going to gain 25 lbs of muscle but some people are happy with a solid 10 lbs of lbm.
 
I agree, my first cycle was Anavar, second D-bol orals. This is a learning experience, to see how your body responses. You will get over the needleforia later.
 
Orals are an option. Anyone that says otherwise is full of shit!!!
D-bol only cycle gives good gains, Iv'e seen it time & time again!
Test is king, agreed, but to flame oral only cycles cause you inject and want to wank each other off is humorous. Get off your'e high horses!
 
Hodgey said:
have never used aas's before and am relying on you guys for best advice please. what would you say was the best oral (not ito the injectables at all !) steroid out there for increase in mass with the minimum side's bloating , gyno issues etc... and waht sort of dosage would i need to be taking of it to make good gains and for how long ?
i am 37, 200lb, 5'11" been training for 15 years on and off but seriously with diet and routine sorted for 2 years.

thanks guys

hodgey
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anavar
 
Hodgey:

My first cycle was D-bol 50mgs ED for 8 wks. But for you who wants increase in mass with the minimum side's, i would recommend for you: D-bol 20mgs-25mgs ED for 6-8 wks.
 
Oztribe said:
but to flame oral only cycles cause you inject and want to wank each other off is humorous. Get off your'e high horses!
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Where do you get the impression that after an injection guys want to "Wank" other guys?
 
My firt cycle was with orals.

After hitting the needle though I will 'stick' to it (pun intended). It is easier and better for the body.

At your age you may want to hit a HRT clinic. It is legal and it forces you to get blood work done (which is a must).

For an oral only cycle I would hit winny, tbol or var. Limit it to a 6 week cycle, get liver protectants, blood work, drink 1-2 gallons of water per day and train and eat with total discipline.

Also, read everything you can get your hands on. Knowledge is power and it will keep you healthy and safe.
 
mr. snakes said:
Hodgey:

My first cycle was D-bol 50mgs ED for 8 wks. But for you who wants increase in mass with the minimum side's, i would recommend for you: D-bol 20mgs-25mgs ED for 6-8 wks.
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Same here..... but lower dose, d-bol 30 mg ED for 6 weeks(only side was a little bloat) Watch out for injury....went from 315 max bench to 2 sets of 315 x 6 reps and slightly pulled a pec.

Was needle-phobic but once you see the gains......you WILL inject next time so you can take it to 10-12 wks.

:coffee:
 
I only did one T-Bol only cycle and loved it for a first time. I didn't pick to inject because I'm afraid of needles, but because I alot of orals such as T-Bol and Anavar have almost no adrogenic side effects. All test has alot of adrogenic side effects, and I just didn't want to deal with that for various reasons
 
Retabolil2 said:
DBBT stop acting like a superman here. We`ve seen your pics and to tell you the trueth my grandmom is more jacked than you.
Its no secret that most newbies have needlefobia and their first cycle experience is usually dbol or oral winny. I`m not an exception my first cycle was dbol only and Iwas shocked when few guys at the gym told me they are using few steroids at a time! :)
I`d recommend Turanabol or dbol cycle for a first timer with a needlefobia :)
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LOL! Your grandma is more jacked, huh? :) You are forgetting one thing here, man........We are Americans, and you and your grandma are Russian :) You guys are ALL FRIGGEN HUGE! LOL!

Good shit :)
 
I started on pins back in 2000. However I know ALOT of people who dont feel comfotable with needles so go oral only. The problem is is its like its giving sugar to a kid. The next time around they are ready for hard stuff!!

Go with what the previouse ppl said. Your next cycle youll want to stick yourself :)
 
Yeah, needles are bad. Who cares if orals are twice as toxic to the liver as injectables? At least I'm not a junkie like the rest of you human pin cushions.
 
SwolK said:
everyone said it well. If you dont want to inject, then dont use
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Agreed. Introduce yourself to everyone's best friend on this board: Senor 23 Gaugo and his 1.5 inch peter. I believe it was Hanz & Franz who said "oral cycles are for girly men". J/K

But if you are that adament about a oral only cycle, I would suggest tbol or dbol. Either of these would make a solid 1st cycle. And like everyone else says, once you do a oral only and see the results YOU WILL USE INJECTABLES. Mark my words.
 
DBBT said:
this man is really desperate here...someon help him out and get some tabs...RET i see you're damn eye surgery didn't work, tough luck. Ugly stick hurts don't it!
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Oh well how is your gyno surgery? went smooth? Did you get rid of your puffy nipples? If not then I`d recommend you sex change surgery
 
Retabolil2 said:
Oh well how is your gyno surgery? went smooth? Did you get rid of your puffy nipples? If not then I`d recommend you sex change surgery
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Man you guys really don't like each other *LOL* Ret, :rainbow: just don't get him posting up pics again.

Deadlift contest, armwrestling anything is better than a male VS male beauty contest....
 
I got tired reading the different posts, so I'm going to go back to the original question. I would never recommend an oral only cycle bc you run a risk of liver damage. But, if you don't like needles at all and are only wanting to get over a hump, then it is possible to do an oral only, for a short cycle, and make some decent gains. I would recommend winny, anavar, and dbol, in that order. Winny is generally considered when cutting, but when "stacked" with creatine I have personally seen some decent, 10-15 lb, gains. Anavar is more expensive but can also be used and has proven it's worthiness, but remember it can be expensive to experience "good" gains on var only. Finally, dbol, we all know what dbol is capable of, but you have to remember that dbol is the stongest of the three and will probably lead to some water retention and acne also. My .02.
 
could try dbol for 8 weeks taking 15 mg per day wk1, 25mg per day wk 2, 35mg per day wk 3, 50mg per day wk4 and mirror that back down the next four weeks, woked very well for a beginner and once you see those gains you gonna be far more prepared to inject when you see and feel what is possible.
 
shoot in the quads till you get comfortable shooting. Try some deca/winny for your first cycle or somthing. deca is a very mild compound, very keepable gains. dose about 400mg - 600mg a week for your first cycle, 10 weeks, with winny at 40mg e/d week 6-11
 
swolenole said:
Man you guys really don't like each other *LOL* Ret, :rainbow: just don't get him posting up pics again.

Deadlift contest, armwrestling anything is better than a male VS male beauty contest....
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I never forget kicks in the back. His bird flue friend is gone but he had balls to bring me apologies in public before he did. DBBT has no balls to do this and I dont even expect anything like that from him. I`m not into beauty contests bro, its gay thing and I know DBBT loves it and consider himself beauty. I`m just twice bigger than that asshole :p
I dont mind him posting pics, been there, the whole board consider him gay since then.
 
first I would like to say hello to everyone on this forum. I have been reading all the posts for the last 2 months or so but this is my first post.
I am very happy to be able to draw on everyones past experiances with aas. Hope this helps you out. I have only done 3 cycles, all oral. d-bol 30-40, winny 15-20 daily for 6 to 8 weeks. it has been about 8 months since my last cycle and 18 since I started with aas. I have retained 24 lb of solid mass. and that was with no pct, I didnt know what it was till recently!. I am 2 weeks into my new cycle ( d-bol 20, anavar 10 ). I only go light cause I am happy making smaller retainable gains. good luck, I'd like to hear of your progress.

Ps I am not scared of needles, I just dont have accsess to injectables at the present time.
 
Retabolil2 said:
DBBT I'm not the most attractive guy I admit. I look like Boris Yeltzen in his earlier days cept my mom dropped me on my head and thus my eyes is all---how do you say---wack...sorry for the bad English im still lurning. But im a great bodybuilder and i challenge anyone to a oil wrestling contest in Moscow, only on my home court...
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bennybarbells said:
first I would like to say hello to everyone on this forum. I have been reading all the posts for the last 2 months or so but this is my first post.
I am very happy to be able to draw on everyones past experiances with aas. Hope this helps you out. I have only done 3 cycles, all oral. d-bol 30-40, winny 15-20 daily for 6 to 8 weeks. it has been about 8 months since my last cycle and 18 since I started with aas. I have retained 24 lb of solid mass. and that was with no pct, I didnt know what it was till recently!. I am 2 weeks into my new cycle ( d-bol 20, anavar 10 ). I only go light cause I am happy making smaller retainable gains. good luck, I'd like to hear of your progress.

Ps I am not scared of needles, I just dont have accsess to injectables at the present time.
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Please research, research, research and ask for advice on this board. Alot of guy here really no there shit. I wish I had this type of info 25 years ago, ask questions and listen and learn.
 
I know I sound like a broken record but how can you logically go and ban steroids but not cigarettes? I mean cigs have absolutely no health benefits and kill more people then almost anything. Yet, the government goes after steroids which at least have some type of positive benefits. I dont want to hear that people abuse them either, under that rationale any prescription drug or even aspirin would be banned. The hypocrisy really gets to me.
 
Oldpro said:
Please research, research, research and ask for advice on this board. Alot of guy here really no there shit. I wish I had this type of info 25 years ago, ask questions and listen and learn.
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Good advice old buddy, newbies like me are in good hands.
Thanks for taking the time to help us out.
 
DBBT said:
Dear Ret, sorry for the post I made regarding Ohio guy who got busted, actually bird flue boy asked me to do that and since I`m his nigger I did what he said without any questions... I feel so bad about it right now... I was asking you for the truce yesterday, please understand I have nothing against you, it wasnt me, it was Satch who hates you!
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Now boy you look like George Bush! :qt:
 
Best Oral only Cycle:
75G a day- 2% Vitamin D MILK
It does a body good.
Don't be a jackass and ruin your liver to get slightly bigger.
Do it the right way or you're ignoring the knowledge that could easily be gained right here, from people that have done it all.
Reevaluate your choice after reading up some more, don't be hasty.
 
I think a good 1st would be something like winny at 25-50 mg a day.
a person who has lifted for a long time with out gains in weight or strenght will be very happy with any gain and there is no worry of gyno.

I think oral only for a 1st cycle is not a bad idea at all .. stepping in slowly ..

I get sick of those that say AN ORAL ONLY CYCLE IS BAD BECAUSE OF LIVER STRAIN :rolleyes:
BUT HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO DOING AN ORAL WITH AN INJECT? HELLO WTF?
IF YOU ARE BELIVE YOUR LIVER IS GOING TO FAIL ON AN ORAL ONLY CYCLE BUT THINK IT WILLN OT BY ADDING IN AN INJECT " U ARE COO KOO"

IF THE DOSE IS NOT THAT HIGH AND YOU KEEP IT AT ABOUT 6WK YOU SHOULD DO FINE UNLESS YOU HAVE ALREADY GOT A PROBLEM THERE.. " HI HELLO, HOW ARE YOU" KISSES..
 
Retabolil2 said:
i got some new skates last weekend and my triple saucow is coming together quite nice...im glad ive been on steroids for 2 years strate becaws my testicles are the size of peas which fit in perfect with my outfit
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Retabolil_Oleosum.jpg
 
Retabolil2 said:
Sure. You just love figure skating! ;)
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HEY WTF, RETA AND DBBT , STOP IT AND GROW UP BOTH OF YOU! IT'S LIKE GOD DAMN KINDERGARDEN HERE

ANYONE ELSE NEED A NAP?!
 :rolleyes:
 
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