Bench Article Sept. Monster Muscle

[spatts]

Solid, I posted before you responded to my PM.

I have been biting my tongue in this damn forum too long. I've never seen this level of cattiness on ANY women's board. Some of you say you're tired of hearing about Westside, but that's all over the AR board. You say you're tired of chattiness, but you chat on AR. You say you're tired of the tits and ass show, yet I don't recall my avatar being any more sexy than the beautiful Little Girl avatar, that also recieved woohoo comments from men...I suppose that was HER fault? It was said that newbies are talkative and obnoxious about personal info and that gets them into trouble, while vets are so elusive and private....the same vet that has posted pics, posted his name, posted his city, posted his PHONE NUMBER. It seems to me that alot of the complaints about Elite are unfounded. I've been on AR for a while...don't see the big difference.

I never post on chat any more because of all this overly sensitive emotional drama and bullshit. Why does this board have to be the same way? So far, I'm not supposed to post in short sentences, I'm not supposed to talk about WSB too much, I'm not supposed to refer people to helpful sites like elitefts, I'm not supposed to talk about my numbers unless they're from a meet, I'm not supposed to encourage other lifters and say I think they will do well if they haven't yet, I'm not supposed to look decent (I switched to PL BECAUSE I detest the vain focus of BB)....any other rules I need to know about?

Can't we just all move the fucking weight, share our experiences, and get on with it?

 

[solidj55]

Oh yea and for my last post, about that thing where no one would want to post about their Westside routine because of me posting not so nice things about Westside and Louie Simmons. Thats the same exact shit people have done to non Westsiders. Benchmonster has flamed people and told them that Westside was the best way. Someone else also flamed Freak19 for his lifting style because its too much like "bodybuilding" That is not always the best way for people damnit. Am I the only mother fucker on this board that realizes this??? Imnotdutch and Freak19 are the only two people I know of right now that dont use Westside so I guess we are in the minority. Oh well. I mean its very evident that the "Westsiders" are allowed to talk about how bad old school periodization is and all the what if bullshit, you know the what if Ed Coan, Gary Frank, etc would train Westside they would be so much stronger bullshit. Whatever. Oh yea and this shit about speed work and dynamic work not being just Westside, fuck you dont insult my intelligence. I have researched this shit, I know where it came from and I know that it can be used into other types of training as well. I am not a fucking idiot. But some people call themselves non Westsiders or modified Westside because they do some things differently. What the hell ever, I mean if your using the same logic and principles that the system is based on then you fucking train Westside style. I mean I couldnt give a rats ass if you didnt train at all or if you used Sweatin to the Oldies, I dont give a fuck, but I will be damned if someone is going to talk shit to me for posting my opinion on something that I have tried, several times, and given a fair shot and then I based my opinion on personal results. Fuck you guys if you dont like it, dont fucking read it. YOu guys can post how great it is and how bad everything else sucks so I can fucking say my opinion too. And I know your a MOD Spatts and you can ban me from the boards and all, well go the fuck ahead and do it if you need to, and lock this fucking thread too while your at it.

 

[solidj55]

You better fucking back up bitch and remember that I told you I didnt mind the chatty bullshit, it doesnt bother me. I have told you that over and over. I never said a God Damn thing about avatars and tits and ass either. I also never said anything about not posting unless youve been in a meet, get your fucking facts strait on who said what before you come at me again.

 

[spatts]

SolidJ...my point, for the millionth time, is that it's not right for ANYONE to rip on someone else's methods. Is that SOOOOOOOOO hard to understand? The WSB'ers are not right, the anti-WSBers are not right....if as much time was dedicated to training and learning as putting people down, we'd all be a fucking force.

Yes I'm a mod here. I didn't ask to be. I have no trouble in any other forum, and don't see why this place has to be so much trouble. I don't go around editing, deleting, trashing threads...there are bigger reasons to be a mod. Like the problem with shared accounts, aliases, and source problems on this board. I don't have banning power, and it wouldn't matter if I did-I don't run from my problems, I find a solution to them. I've only locked 3 threads in my time as a mod, and only 1 of them was in this forum.

 

[TheProject]

It seems that there are some people who will never be happy.

I remember a few short months ago, I decided to do PL training instead of BB training, and began to read this board as well as a lot of other information. I made the comment at the time that it seemed to me that powerlifters in general are the kind of people will give you the bench shirt off their back, or do whatever they can to help make you stronger.

This board has been on the slow side since I started following it, and I believe there were a few members complaining that there weren't enough posts, and there wasn't an active mod. I began to make the effort to contribute over here to make the board more active, and Spatts was made a mod over here so that there would be an active mod.

The complaint has also been made that this board is all Westside, too chatty, too many Asylum posts, blah blah blah. Like I told Imnotdutch, if you don't like what the board is, make it what you want. No one's going to run you off for posting something besides Westside. Maybe it's my imagination, but it seems like Imnotdutch and solidj have been posting more lately, and I know I appreciate the activity.

I've rambled on long enough, but I want to make one more point: I was having a conversation with someone the other day who is close to reaching the conclusion that powerlifters are a bunch of dicks. As I said earlier, this is the exact OPPOSITE of the conclusion that I drew when I came over here.

The petty bullshit about who should or should not post, and what the context of our posts should be, needs to stop. Post what you're doing, offer your suggestions, and make a positive contribution. At the same time, expect to be challenged on your suggestions, and questioned if you suggest something a little off the beaten path. It's not an attack; it's an effort to learn.

 

[spatts]

You better fucking back up bitch and remember that I told you I didnt mind the chatty bullshit, it doesnt bother me. I have told you that over and over. I never said a God Damn thing about avatars and tits and ass either. I also never said anything about not posting unless youve been in a meet, get your fucking facts strait on who said what before you come at me again.

The "you" was plural. Not to be taken personally. Like you said before, I thought we settled this.

 

[solidj55]

No your point about bashing is well understood and I agree but you never say a fucking word to anyone that puts down other methods than Westside. So how is that fair. And by the way, I will not be the guy, or the only person to get PM's and such about not bashing others on the board or about saying negative things. Fuck that, I am a grown fucking man and I feel that if I think something sucks then I can say it. Everyone else does it but me and Imnotdutch and Powerlifterjay seemed to be the only ones that anyone ever has a problem with.

 

[solidj55]

And by the way I dont give a rats ass who thinks I am dick, hell I am not even training like a powerlifter at the moment so I really dont consider myself to be one. Yea if circumstances were different right now I would be powerlifting I would preparing for a meet and I would be once again in the top 100 benchers in the 165lb class but it just isnt meant to be right now. So what I am getting at is tell your friend powerlifters arent assholes, assholes are assholes. And yes that includes me in the asshole catagory. I will not be treated like a child when I express my opinion.

 

[spatts]

I take care of it by PM because it's more personal and civilzed, obviously. And you're not the only one.

I don't like to see anyone putting someone else down, ESPECIALLY if what they're doing is working for them. I will make an effort to represent your side better, as needed.

It's funny you should mention yourself, PLJ, and Imnotdutch. I have respected imnotdutch since my first week on Elite, almost a year and 1/2 ago. I have been following PLJ as well, and have read just about every archived post he's ever made under that handle. I had ENORMOUS respect for them, as well as yourself. Then I find out we're ALL going to be at the Southern States....like 30 of us in total. I was so excited that I'd get to meet PLJ, see him in action, etc...

Then from out of the blue....well, you remember the thread.

It's interesting you say that the three of you get picked on the most, because from where I sit, you're the ONLY three people that have ever really had trouble with ME on Elite. I don't go through this in ANY other forum. I'm never forced to behave this way or lose my temper...it's not my style.

Maybe I'm just blind, but I thought everyone here admired the 3 of you...

 

[TheProject]

And by the way I dont give a rats ass who thinks I am dick, hell I am not even training like a powerlifter at the moment so I really dont consider myself to be one. Yea if circumstances were different right now I would be powerlifting I would preparing for a meet and I would be once again in the top 100 benchers in the 165lb class but it just isnt meant to be right now. So what I am getting at is tell your friend powerlifters arent assholes, assholes are assholes. And yes that includes me in the asshole catagory. I will not be treated like a child when I express my opinion.

solidj, I don't care if you're a dick or not. You can be the biggest asshole in the world, and it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day, I don't have a damn clue who you are outside of this board.

Furthermore, you're free to say something sucks. But don't jump on and say something sucks without offering something constructive. On this thread, you made a constructive post, and a post calling Westside crap. I'm glad you made both posts, but don't expect people who follow Westside to take that kind of criticism lightly.

Finally, who's treating you like a child?