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Be Big W/O Being Strong

A bodybuilder's arms..

When you see massive arms on a bodybuilder don't assume that they are extremely strone. There are various types of hypertrophy and due to the typical bb'ers training style etc they increase in muscle size but that size increase is largely due to non-contractile tissue
 
im somewhat big, but im weak as hell.always been that way...

but i find it hard to belive that the pros are weak..but it just goes to show that we learn as we live
 
Same here -- I've got a huge chest, but it's one of my weakest (proportionally) bodyparts.
I think we can state as a general principal that going heavy will make you big. But that's not what bodybuilding is about. A guy who trains with moderate weight on upper, middle, lower, inner and outer pecs, focusing on what each movement is doing, is going to have a much fuller, deeper chest than a guy who just comes in and benches huge amounts of weight.
 
more weight equals more muscle....... period.

so your answer is no.
 
"A guy who trains with moderate weight on upper, middle, lower, inner and outer pecs, focusing on what each movement is doing, is going to have a much fuller, deeper chest than a guy who just comes in and benches huge amounts of weight."

Hahahaha...
 
well, hell, ya can't argue with that logic. There ya go, just focus on making your bench as strong as possible, and ignore everything else. That'll give ya the body every bodybuilder dreams of.
There's a difference between powerlifting and bodybuilding, crackpot69. Sure there's huge overlap. But the question was is it possible to have big muscles without super strength. The answer is yes.
Now do you have anything intelligent to say, or will you stick with those two letters you've mastered so effectively?
 
Whatsup yeah I dont know Im pretty big (5'11" 220 lbs.) and I dont think that I am all that strong. I dont flat bench much at all but I only incline maybe 235-245 lbs. 1RP max. I dont know my arm strength isnt too strong either I could probably strict curl maybe 135 lbs. 1RP max. My calves and forearms are pretty strong though. I dont know. I dont think I am all that strong for my size at all.
 
"well, hell, ya can't argue with that logic. There ya go, just focus on making your bench as strong as possible, and ignore everything else. That'll give ya the body every bodybuilder dreams of.
There's a difference between powerlifting and bodybuilding, crackpot69. Sure there's huge overlap. But the question was is it possible to have big muscles without super strength. The answer is yes.
Now do you have anything intelligent to say, or will you stick with those two letters you've mastered so effectively?"

You asked for it. Yes, there are differences between mass and strength routines, but it has nothing to do with focusing on the muscle being worked: "Train movements not muscles". Here are the differences between mass training and strength training:

More mass DOES = strength because a larger muscle will have more actin and myosin filaments which cross-bridge and cause the muscle to contract (if activated). More strength doesn't necessarily equal more muscle because other factors do contribute, though.
Training for strength and mass should be different because strength is primarily neural. You train the nervous system for strength optimization with heavy weight/low rep training. You would also want to wait a while between sets (3-5 minutes) as to let ATP replenish to 100% and allow enough time for lactic acid to clear.

Training for hypertrophy requires more than one rep range to stimulate the various ways a muscle can grow. You need low rep (3-7)/heavy weight/explosive contraction training to stimulate myofibrillar growth of the IIB's and fibers, and high rep (10-20)/medium weight/slow contraction to stimulate sarcoplasmic growth of the IIB's and myofibrillar IIA's and of the I's.

Another thing is that muscle growth training should involve a greater variety of exercises to recruit more/different motor units and consequently more muscle fibers will be stimulated and with nutritional support - more growth.

Strength training is better suited for a small number of exercises because strength is very specific. You want to optimize your nervous system in each specific movement (squat, dead, bench) and pretty much ignore any additional work except assistance work where needed.
 
Poliquin DOES say that there are guys up on the Olympia stage that can only get 315 up a few times. (I believe he said 6 reps). Which would mean that they could top out 375 or 400, tops. Kind of funny that way. Yeah, they're strong as hell! But not as strong as you would think. It's a lesson in non-functional hypertrophy.
 
Re: You can guarantee it eh?

Jeremy21 said:
sure you can.... ask Charles Poliquin. He has trained with many pro level bb'ers and he says there are in fact a decent number who can barely get up 315..its true. kinda sad eh?

that has to be bs, i mean 315 is nothing for those guys

dennis james ttrains with 420 lb incline bench
dexter jackson 400lb bench
levrone 450lb bench
ronnie coleman well he is strong like a oxe he plays with the 200 lb dumbbells.
lee priest 400lb bench

and so on..................
 
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