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Attack Of The Clones Review. Warning, Angry Irrationality Inside.

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I SAW THIS ON ANOTHER SITE AND I AGREE WITH IT

So I saw Star Wards Episode II.
If you have a tendency toward irrational anger, please skip to the next post.

This was a horribly bad movie. I mean bad not as in bad bad, but as in Avenging Disco Godfather bad. I can not even begin to describe what I found wrong with this movie.

First, as always, this movie had a confused meaning. Were we supposed to be "into" it in the same manner as a drama, or were we supposed to be laughing at how bad it was? Or some sort of ill-conceived mixture? The reason I ask is, it was clear that Lucas was trying to make us feel, but he did such a poor job of it that I can't help but wonder if his intent was to fail, so that those of us who were disgusted could at least laugh at his pathetic stabs in the dark. More about this later.

Some of the acting was horrible. Whoever the hell played Padme was just incomprehensibly bad. Hello! You aren't playing a sorority girl, you're a god damned galactic senator, even if you are young. Put some effort into it. Whoever played Anakin was fairly bad as well. Emotions, of which he had so many, were very poorly played by him (though some of this was due to script). He just came across as whiny. A very poor performance, overall. One part that struck me as extremely good is when he is torn on whether or not to go back for Padme after she falls on the sand. His line "she would do her duty" was very well executed when taken with his body language.

Ah - the script. I dislike sappy love scenes almost as a rule, but AOTC had more than its fair share of utterly cheesy ones. I don't see how anyone but a middle schooler could have appreciated those love scenes. Banal, trite, cliched, hackneyed, doggerel, stilted...those words only scratch the surface. I realize Lucas was trying to build a romance, but he took the wrong approach - especially since it is obvious he was not in any way aiming for subtlety, I mean, how could he have been, with Anakin's idiotic lines? I am seriously surprised he just didn't say "HE HE HE YOU'RE HOT HE HE HE". The "live a lie" and "destroy us both" lines are such an incredible cliche I can't even write words to adequately express my disgust.

While we're on the topic of love, the scene with his mother was too cliched as well. And what was with her death fit? Her head flopped back like it was on a string. Even if that is how people usually die (doubt it - they can hold their head up perfectly fine and suddenly they just die?) it had no place. The dialogue there and physical juxtapositioning of the characters are cliches as well. This is a real shame, as it had the potential to be a very touching scene.

Oh - lest I forget, how about that stupid discussion between Anakin and Padme over dictatorship vs. democracy? I'd expect that kind of logic,knowledge, and argumentation ability from flouring third graders, not a flouring galactic senator and jedi knight. Pity I can't remember the lines, or I would post them here for the amusement of all. Oh yeah - and what happened to a vote on the Chancellor's emergency powers? The applause-o-meter is good enough for intergalactic decision making? No argument? No debate? If everyone agrees, why did they have to have Jar Jar introduce it as a proxy for Padme?

Grotesque animated aliens just don't do it for me. At this point in cinematographical history, they are neither novel nor interesting. Some of the other aliens - like the tall thin ones - were slightly better. The 3 beasts that attacked the 3 "heroes" were not. And the battles that followed were not. That kind of stuff is old hat now, there was no reason to spend so much time on it. The huge battle that followed was stupid as well. What I saw were about two thousand troops that were all EXACTLY the same...and about 50 Jedi that were all...EXACTLY the same (in fighting style and weaponry). Except for the color of their light sabers, of course. Woo wee! They have different colors! That battle was BORING. Does anyone, at this point, find it neat, cool, or visually entertaining to see people with light sabers deflecting laser beams faster than we can see?

Back to Anakin. Look, we all know what his future is, right? It's no secret. So why didn't Lucas at least make it a LITTLE less obvious as to what his motives were becoming? Let the audience figure it out for themselves, don't TELL them. It's the difference, in a book, between saying "Joe vowed never again to trust Sam" and between showing a series of events that lead him to that belief, without stating it outright. Anakin saying stuff like "I will become powerful!" and "I will learn to save people (after killing an entire camp of sand people?)" and crap like that is just insulting to everyone concerned. SHOW us, don't TELL us. I felt like instead of us seeing and perceiving Anakin's changes, we were being led along and the changes were being pointed out. Great fun, huh. But actually, this would be a BAD idea - because Lucas apparently tried to do this (show not tell) to show us how Padme could have fallen in love with Anakin (they are two very different people after all) - and it didn't work for flour. I still don't buy that Padme fell in love with him, or admitted her love. So - Lucas failed in this respect.

Need I bring up the factory scene? Oh! She's going to get molten ore poured on her! No, wait - she survived!! WHEW, that's a relief!! And the rest of that was all just gratuitous as well, adding very little to the plot and to our perceptions of the characters.

Obi-Wan was okay.

The fights sucked. The asteroid field sucked. Yoda looking like some sort of toad in the process of OD'ing on methyldexamphetamine sulphate sucked (that fight was the absolute worst). Shoulda spent more time on making the battles cool and less on fancy heads up and console displays. Padme's chipper "I'm okay!!" sucked. C3PO getting a different body/head wasn't amusing in the least. As far as I can tell his apologies during the battle could only have appealed to the sense of humor of a child. Samuel L. Jackson's "This party's over" was something I would have expected to see in Men In Black. Anakin's "I'm haunted by the kiss you should never have given me" fell flat as a pancake - the line was so out of character I almost burst out laughing. Oh, and Padme - was it just me or did she change outfits approximately every SCENE?

What was good? The scenes on Coruscant were good - with the high towers and the traffic. Anakin's mirror-ship was cool.

So, all in all, what can I say: it's Star Wars. Revolutionary in 1977, and, apart from nostalgia reasons for some and vicarious nostalgia for others, absolute flour now.

And what I pointed out in this post that I disliked was just the beginning.

Some reviews I agree with for the most part: http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/359/359431p1.html
 
NO, IT DID NOT PISS ME OFF. I WAS JUST ASTOUNDED AS TO HOW BAD IT WAS. I DIDN'T WRITE THE ABOVE REVIEW, BUT I AGREE WITH MOST OF IT.
 
I heard the last hour or half hour was cool, and I didnt' read the above post because I still want to see it no matter how bad it is. so was the end cool or not.
 
I didn't read the post, I have yet to see it and don't want any spoilage.

But I can say that after talking to the people I know who didn't like it, they agreed with me on the following:

People try to compare episdode II with the totallity of the orginial trilogy. If you watch Retun of the Jedi, and objectively ignore the previous two movies, you'll probably think the movie was outageously silly.
 
The Nature Boy said:
I heard the last hour or half hour was cool, and I didnt' read the above post because I still want to see it no matter how bad it is. so was the end cool or not.

NO. THE PROBLEMS WITH THE END ARE ADEQUATELY DESCRIBED IN THE ABOVE REVIEW, READ THAT ONCE YOU HAVE SEEN IT.


I didn't read the post, I have yet to see it and don't want any spoilage.

But I can say that after talking to the people I know who didn't like it, they agreed with me on the following:

People try to compare episdode II with the totallity of the orginial trilogy. If you watch Retun of the Jedi, and objectively ignore the previous two movies, you'll probably think the movie was outageously silly.
I, AND THE WRITER OF THE REVIEW, AGREE THAT THE ORIGINAL 3 STARWARS MOVIES ARE HORRIBLE AS WELL.
 
2 ton hoss said:


NO. THE PROBLEMS WITH THE END ARE ADEQUATELY DESCRIBED IN THE ABOVE REVIEW, READ THAT ONCE YOU HAVE SEEN IT.



I, AND THE WRITER OF THE REVIEW, AGREE THAT THE ORIGINAL 3 STARWARS MOVIES ARE HORRIBLE AS WELL.

so knowing that you didn't like the 1st 3 movies, did you expect to like the latest film? I didn't think you were an optimist!!! :)
 
The Nature Boy said:


so knowing that you didn't like the 1st 3 movies, did you expect to like the latest film? I didn't think you were an optimist!!! :)

HEHE. I DID NOT EXPECT TO LIKE THE FILM, BUT I TRIED TO GO IN WITH AS OPEN A MIND AS POSSIBLE. AS THE ARTICLE STATES, THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS WAS REVOLUTIONARY IN 1977 - AND WHEN I SAW IT THEN, IT WAS COOL, BUT I DEFINITELY ACKNOWLEDGED HOW BAD IT WAS.

JUST GO SEE IT, COME BACK AND READ THE ABOVE REVIEW, AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK :)
 
Allow me to rip the review.


2 ton hoss said:
I SAW THIS ON ANOTHER SITE AND I AGREE WITH IT

So I saw Star Wards Episode II.
If you have a tendency toward irrational anger, please skip to the next post.

This was a horribly bad movie. I mean bad not as in bad bad, but as in Avenging Disco Godfather bad. I can not even begin to describe what I found wrong with this movie.

First, as always, this movie had a confused meaning. Were we supposed to be "into" it in the same manner as a drama, or were we supposed to be laughing at how bad it was? Or some sort of ill-conceived mixture? The reason I ask is, it was clear that Lucas was trying to make us feel, but he did such a poor job of it that I can't help but wonder if his intent was to fail, so that those of us who were disgusted could at least laugh at his pathetic stabs in the dark. More about this later.

Some of the acting was horrible. Whoever the hell played Padme was just incomprehensibly bad. Hello! You aren't playing a sorority girl, you're a god damned galactic senator, even if you are young. Put some effort into it. please tell us how a galactic senator is supposed to act. Whoever played Anakin was fairly bad as well. Emotions, of which he had so many, were very poorly played by him (though some of this was due to script)Jedi's are supposed to have that sort of uppity demeanor. Emotions (towards Padme at least)were of course weird because this is his first time being able to express them. He's a jedi in training, not a pimp. . He just came across as whiny. A very poor performance, overall. again, I saw someone trying to act the part of a Jedi struggling with emotions they don't normally flaunt, and if you weren't such a hater it should come across to you fairly well. One part that struck me as extremely good is when he is torn on whether or not to go back for Padme after she falls on the sand. His line "she would do her duty" was very well executed when taken with his body language.

Ah - the script. I dislike sappy love scenes almost as a rule, but AOTC had more than its fair share of utterly cheesy ones. I don't see how anyone but a middle schooler could have appreciated those love scenes. Banal, trite, cliched, hackneyed, doggerel, stilted...those words only scratch the surface. I realize Lucas was trying to build a romance, but he took the wrong approach - especially since it is obvious he was not in any way aiming for subtlety, I mean, how could he have been, with Anakin's idiotic lines? I am seriously surprised he just didn't say "HE HE HE YOU'RE HOT HE HE HE". again, it's a Jedi's first time apparently around a woman he loves. Excuse the poor fellow that his character isn't supreme mack daddy. Also, how would you want these scenes to have been done, would you have rathered steamy porn? The "live a lie" and "destroy us both" lines are such an incredible cliche I can't even write words to adequately express my disgust.Cliche'd maybe, proper, yes. They work. What's wrong with cliche' anyway? See, your problem is that you are expecting the characters to be oozing moderm pimp daddy machismo.

While we're on the topic of love, the scene with his mother was too cliched as well. And what was with her death fit? Her head flopped back like it was on a string. Even if that is how people usually die (doubt it - they can hold their head up perfectly fine and suddenly they just die?) it had no place. The dialogue there and physical juxtapositioning of the characters are cliches as well. This is a real shame, as it had the potential to be a very touching scene.I agree this scene could have been done much better.

Oh - lest I forget, how about that stupid discussion between Anakin and Padme over dictatorship vs. democracy? I'd expect that kind of logic,knowledge, and argumentation ability from flouring third graders, not a flouring galactic senator and jedi knight. Pity I can't remember the lines, or I would post them here for the amusement of all. Oh yeah - and what happened to a vote on the Chancellor's emergency powers? The applause-o-meter is good enough for intergalactic decision making? No argument? No debate? If everyone agrees, why did they have to have Jar Jar introduce it as a proxy for Padme?who cares? You get the idea. Did you want to show deliberations and coffee breaks as well?

Grotesque animated aliens just don't do it for me. sorry to disappoint you god At this point in cinematographical history, they are neither novel nor interesting. Some of the other aliens - like the tall thin ones - were slightly better. The 3 beasts that attacked the 3 "heroes" were not. And the battles that followed were not. That kind of stuff is old hat now, there was no reason to spend so much time on it. The huge battle that followed was stupid as well. What I saw were about two thousand troops that were all EXACTLY the same...and about 50 Jedi that were all...EXACTLY the same (in fighting style and weaponry). Except for the color of their light sabers, of course. Woo wee! this has gotta be a joke. No shit theyre all the same. They have the same training. They're all jedi, not ones a jedi, the other's a sumo, etc. They have different colors! That battle was BORING. Does anyone, at this point, find it neat, cool, or visually entertaining to see people with light sabers deflecting laser beams faster than we can see?would you have rathered a long drawn out 5 hour scene where it shows each jedi battling the baddes for 15 minutes each?

Back to Anakin. Look, we all know what his future is, right? It's no secret. So why didn't Lucas at least make it a LITTLE less obvious as to what his motives were becoming? Let the audience figure it out for themselves, don't TELL them. It's the difference, in a book, between saying "Joe vowed never again to trust Sam" and between showing a series of events that lead him to that belief, without stating it outright. Anakin saying stuff like "I will become powerful!" and "I will learn to save people (after killing an entire camp of sand people?)" and crap like that is just insulting to everyone concerned. SHOW us, don't TELL us. I felt like instead of us seeing and perceiving Anakin's changes, we were being led along and the changes were being pointed out. if it's so obvious, what the fuck does it matter, you twit. Great fun, huh. But actually, this would be a BAD idea - because Lucas apparently tried to do this (show not tell) to show us how Padme could have fallen in love with Anakin (they are two very different people after all) - and it didn't work for flour. I still don't buy that Padme fell in love with him, or admitted her love. So - Lucas failed in this respect.

Need I bring up the factory scene? Oh! She's going to get molten ore poured on her! No, wait - she survived!! WHEW, that's a relief!! And the rest of that was all just gratuitous as well, adding very little to the plot and to our perceptions of the characters.I can agree on that..wasted time, could have been done better

Obi-Wan was okay.

The fights sucked. The asteroid field sucked. Yoda looking like some sort of toad in the process of OD'ing on methyldexamphetamine sulphate sucked (that fight was the absolute worst). Shoulda spent more time on making the battles cool and less on fancy heads up and console displays.and what is your definition of cool that would appease everyone? Padme's chipper "I'm okay!!" sucked. C3PO getting a different body/head wasn't amusing in the least. As far as I can tell his apologies during the battle could only have appealed to the sense of humor of a child. Samuel L. Jackson's "This party's over" was something I would have expected to see in Men In Black. Anakin's "I'm haunted by the kiss you should never have given me" fell flat as a pancake - the line was so out of character I almost burst out laughing. Oh, and Padme - was it just me or did she change outfits approximately every SCENE?

What was good? The scenes on Coruscant were good - with the high towers and the traffic. Anakin's mirror-ship was cool.

So, all in all, what can I say: it's Star Wars. Revolutionary in 1977, and, apart from nostalgia reasons for some and vicarious nostalgia for others, absolute flour now.

And what I pointed out in this post that I disliked was just the beginning.

Some reviews I agree with for the most part: http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/359/359431p1.html
 
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YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT I WANT THAT ARE NOT ECHOED IN THAT REVIEW I FOUND. YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE REVIEWER WANTS THAT ARE NOT ECHOED IN THE REVIEW.

DID YOU SERIOUSLY LIKE THE MOVIE? I THOUGHT IT COULD ONLY APPEAL TO EMOTIONALLY IMMATURE THIRD GRADERS.
 
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