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Ass to grass squats
- Thread starter Eric1987
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Your friend is less then fully educated on squats. If a person can go safely ass to grass then thats all good. Not everybody has the ability to do this safely. The only part that he got right is the part about lumbar. Some peeps have the flexibility to do this and some just dont and never will have. If you cant do it with excellent form then dont do it! The primary concern is that a person does go just past parallel. Stopping above parallel is just asking for knee issues, ie, 1/4 squats.
^^^ depends on how much weight you are doing and your form. if you are trying to do a lot more weight than you are capable and have crappy form then don't waste your time.
i love doing deep squats with light weight.. i feel so sore the next day.. especially my glutes... if your quads, hammy's, glutes are sore the next day you know you did them right..
i love doing deep squats with light weight.. i feel so sore the next day.. especially my glutes... if your quads, hammy's, glutes are sore the next day you know you did them right..
How can you really do them incorrectly?
SPEKTOR-AAA
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Many people do them with wrong form. Ill name a few troublesome areas. From the start when addressing the bar and actually loading it off the rack most people dont have enough "tightness" in their core. They deflate their chest and fail to pull the shoulders back and tight. I also notice feet placement to be a common troublespot for most. I know everyone has their preference but to me shoulder width, toes slighty/naturally pointed out is a perfect stance. Next trouble spot is when people fall into the squat position. They typically sell themselves short and dont go deep enough or spring down in such a fashion that they lose half the benefit of the squat. Next from the bottom people push from their toes rather then from the heels of their feet. Now a squat is pretty common sense but for most they fail in a variety of ways.
gymjunkie09
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just you tube mark rippetoe squat and you find a ton of instructional vid...I thinks that's how you spell his name I may be wrong tho lol
lots of guys i see who do deep squats or any squats for that matter don't use good form. the most common way to screw up deep squats is leaning forward or back too much .. you should be grounded strong ... your lower legs and feet have to be locked and balanced, no wobbling.. just straight up and down
lweaver
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You should be able to unrack the weight and get into position with 2-3 steps...you weight shifted about nine times which really takes alot of energy once the weights get heavy. I notice you break at the knees far before you break at the hips, creating an incorrect bar path. You are sitting down and not back, compensating with quads and lower back with hamstrings not doing their job. You are also half-squatting, or not even coming close to breaking parallel. In fact the safeties are set so high that even with proper form you could not have squatted to parallel.
The good news is that you can fix this...google Mark Rippetoe, he does a great job at summing up the squat basics.
The good news is that you can fix this...google Mark Rippetoe, he does a great job at summing up the squat basics.
How am I not going low enough? My friend doesn't even touch the safety bars yet he goes low enough? Is there something I am missing? And break at the knees before the hips?
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDvm1Fvy9Fs
Video of said friend.
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDvm1Fvy9Fs
Video of said friend.
lweaver
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Your friend isn't breaking parallel either. Parallel with the floor is not parallel. Parallel is when your hip joint breaks even with your knee joint, which in most is lover than paralel to the floor. Sucks for lanky people, but I bet your deadlift is much easier...
Don't break at the knees first, in fact don't even think about your knees. The primary movement should be at the hip joint.
Don't break at the knees first, in fact don't even think about your knees. The primary movement should be at the hip joint.
Man it's better to do ass to grass with light weight then to barely move with heavy weight. For some reason i think it's good to geta feely bounce goin at the bottom of the rep before standing back up again. And do them close stance instead of wide stance. Either way is fne but close stance for me seems to add some extra difficulty without sacrificing natural postioning.
gymjunkie09
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I'm assuming it's not good for your knees
It's fine for the knees when i do it.. I see somebody gave me bad karma for "bad advice". Fuck that shit. how dare somebody tell me my advice is bad when i use that advice on myself. That's like telling me I don't know how to train. "dont give bad advice that can hurt people"..fuck you training has the potential to hurt people regardless. If thats how you wanna be then don't train at all.
lweaver
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Yeah bouncing out of the bottom of the squat is bad for your knees is bad for the knees, is improper form and implies poor control of the weight-either as a result of inexperience, poor hamstring and glute activation, or both. You can do silly shit all you want as far as I'm concerned 
WTF is karma anyway? I still don't get it...
WTF is karma anyway? I still don't get it...
miked8c
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Yeah bouncing out of the bottom of the squat is bad for your knees is bad for the knees, is improper form and implies poor control of the weight-either as a result of inexperience, poor hamstring and glute activation, or both. You can do silly shit all you want as far as I'm concerned
WTF is karma anyway? I still don't get it...
It is a meaningless statistic they keep on this site that is supposed to represent your the reliability and knowledge behind your posts.
first of all if my advice is bad, then it's not a meaningless statistic. second of all if you can't handle a bounc at the bottom of a squat then you can't handle the squat to begin with. and I hope im not being misunderstood. I mean control the weight going down, sit in the hole and bounce 1 or two times to get a feel for sitting in the hole, and then stand up. theres nothing wrong with what im diescribing here,
miked8c
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That is straight up retarded Kortisol. Why would you get into the hole and bounce with weight "1 or two times to get a feel for sitting in the hole"? I am literally laughing out loud at your advice, it sounds like something my little brother would say.
In all seriousness there is no need for a bounce, you get into the hole, and then explode up once you hit the correct depth for yourself. Bouncing means you would need to go a little slack and lose your tightness. Bouncing at the bottom just places extreme stress on your knees and does not help strength or muscle development whatsoever. So why do it?
You crazy kids and your funny jokes.
In all seriousness there is no need for a bounce, you get into the hole, and then explode up once you hit the correct depth for yourself. Bouncing means you would need to go a little slack and lose your tightness. Bouncing at the bottom just places extreme stress on your knees and does not help strength or muscle development whatsoever. So why do it?
You crazy kids and your funny jokes.
That's probably the best thing he could do!^^^^
You need to read the rules bro. We don't talk like this to other members in this forum. He gave you bad karma (neg reps) because he disagreed with your post. That's what the system is for, so he used it properly. Last warning. Don't do it again. Give him bad karma back if you want, but keep the forums clean.
As for your advice of bouncing in the bottom of squats...it is absolutely bad advice. Saying you are doing it and it works for you doesn't mean anything. It means you are lucky you haven't been injured yet. As you start doing more weight you will increase your risk. People use bad form all the time and they spread that bad advice all the time too. I will say you don't know how to train properly. You should follow the advice of a couple other people in here and search youtube for squat videos by Mark Rippetoe.
I've red all about mark rippletoe I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't have anything groundbreaking to teach. I mean if your lifting and not injuring yourself too bad then it's good enough. I haven't discovered anything bad about bouncing at the bottom of a squat. Knees are ok so far. Maybe you should try it. Saying it doesn't work for me doesn't mean anything?..eff you then. pal. I learn how I learn and until my knees give out from under me i'm probably gonna keep doing it my way.
you see...now I am going to ban you. You obviously didn't learn from the warning and the infraction I gave you. You didn't read the rules either, did you?
We don't allow members to talk to each other like this in any forum here but chat. It used to happen in the past but it makes for a messy board where people don't enjoy posting and reading.
Too bad you think you have to be Mr. Know-it-all. You should go to one of Ripp's seminars and tell him he doesn't know shit about lifting compared to you, then you should start teaching seminars and writing books of your own. You could probably take all his clients from him once they saw how awesome you are.
we are gonna disagree on things but lets all remember to act mature and leave the comments to somewhere else.
if someone flames then report the post on the bottom left.. don't instigate things by even responding.
this forum is awesome but when threads turn into flame wars people start getting banned and infracted and its no longer fun
if someone flames then report the post on the bottom left.. don't instigate things by even responding.
this forum is awesome but when threads turn into flame wars people start getting banned and infracted and its no longer fun
I remember when I was young and thought my way was fine and My joints were going to last forever.
15 years later, new ones are still giving out.
15 years later, new ones are still giving out.
