Ashcroft wants to fuck your wife.

[Hangfire]

Is that what YOU wear to keep from seeing reality?


Here's what's happening here: (it will soon be a terrorist act to protest... not that i'm the type do run around chanting slogans, but i do want the right to do so.)

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...122&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

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The fact that people don't see the danger in this scares the hell out of me:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...geid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1052251634162

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CSIS denies the allegation, but the evidence is pointing directly at them:

http://www.nationalpost.com/search/site/story.asp?id=A12ED537-5A24-41AE-A110-6905C4B3736E

WTF does the state of affairs in Canda have to do with AG Ashcroft and the Patriot Act? Why use examples of fucked up goings on north of the border to bash the U.S.--one has nothing to do with the other.
You America-haters sicken me to no end.
Maybe the U.S. wouldn't need to scare you with legislation like the Patriot Act if Canada was a little more careful with their borders. As it is, we can't depend on the Canadians to be on the lookout for potential threats so we need to institute measures that will cover our asses. Thanks, neighbor.

The last thing we need is advice from a second-rate country that wouldn't even be that high up on the list if it didn't border the U.S. Canada is only half a step ahead of Europe which is, comparateively, still in the stone age.

 

[theoak01]

ya and guess who makes that list.

and it is unfair to call someone a terrorist when thats all they have to fight for their cause, I see this in the middle east where palestinians are classified as terrorists when they blow up shit in isreal. these two groups are terrorists because bush sides with their opposition

 

[Hangfire]

ya and guess who makes that list.

and it is unfair to call someone a terrorist when thats all they have to fight for their cause, I see this in the middle east where palestinians are classified as terrorists when they blow up shit in isreal. these two groups are terrorists because bush sides with their opposition

Uhh.......the U.S. makes the list of groups that the U.S. considers Foreign Terroist Organizations. What is the problem with that?

The Palestinians that are blowing up people in Israel ARE terrorists. Fuck all that talk about the "occupied territories". That is territory that Israel permits the Palestinians to squat on.
You can argue the points all day if you're going to employ relativism and ignore the absolutes.

By your logic, Mexicans who believe that Texas belongs to Mexico would be justified in killing Americans on American soil--simply because that is what they believe.

 

[theoak01]

ok fine bad a analogy with palestine but Northern Ireland belonged to Ireland and the english came in and took it and are not allowing elections to take place for government rule. Ira stopped killing people because peace is the main goal,but I dont think the english want it as they keep rejecting the proposition for elections because they know the people will throw their ass out

 

[Hangfire]

.........but I dont think the english want it as they keep rejecting the proposition for elections because they know the people will throw their ass out

Agreed. Still, it is the only fair way to settle the question.

 

[CanadianCripple]

WTF does the state of affairs in Canda have to do with AG Ashcroft and the Patriot Act? Why use examples of fucked up goings on north of the border to bash the U.S.--one has nothing to do with the other.
You America-haters sicken me to no end.
Maybe the U.S. wouldn't need to scare you with legislation like the Patriot Act if Canada was a little more careful with their borders. As it is, we can't depend on the Canadians to be on the lookout for potential threats so we need to institute measures that will cover our asses. Thanks, neighbor.

The last thing we need is advice from a second-rate country that wouldn't even be that high up on the list if it didn't border the U.S. Canada is only half a step ahead of Europe which is, comparateively, still in the stone age.

America hater? Huh? I love the principles that your country was founded on, & therefore have a difficult time watching it (as well as the world's other democracies being ripped apart).

You really have no idea what's going on in your great country. That's sad. Very sad.

You obviously didn't take my advice and watch the Ashcroft video.

I feel a sadness & extreme pity for people like you. You don't (can't) understand what I'm saying.

When Bush came into power, I really thought he’d be different than Clinton. He’s not.

Our western democracies are being sold down the river. WAKE UP!

Those things I posted about Canada are happening in the U.S. too.

I give up. Do some work for YOURSELF and you’ll find the world doesn’t work the way we’re told.

BTW, Canada didn't train the 911 attackers... the U.S. did. *that wasn't a personal attack on the U.S., just fact*

LMFAO! Thanks for the name change, 2Thick.

 

[SlavikHavik]

Glad I can be of help.......you can use it.

:: applause ::

 

[Hangfire]

America hater? Huh? I love the principles that your country was founded on, & therefore have a difficult time watching it (as well as the world's other democracies being ripped apart).

You really have no idea what's going on in your great country. That's sad. Very sad.

You obviously didn't take my advice and watch the Ashcroft video.

I feel a sadness & extreme pity for people like you. You don't (can't) understand what I'm saying.

When Bush came into power, I really thought he’d be different than Clinton. He’s not.

Our western democracies are being sold down the river. WAKE UP!

Those things I posted about Canada are happening in the U.S. too.

I give up. Do some work for YOURSELF and you’ll find the world doesn’t work the way we’re told.

BTW, Canada didn't train the 911 attackers... the U.S. did. *that wasn't a personal attack on the U.S., just fact*

LMFAO! Thanks for the name change, 2Thick.

Our only means of becoming informed is to search out information and then decide for ourselves what is the truth and what is driven by some agenda. The GREAT majority of "news" stories that report government abuses and conspiracies of the type that you cite are driven by a particular political agenda---there are hardly ANY unbiased media sources left.

Each person has to make up their own mind, based on information gathered and empirical evidence, what is the real deal. You choose to believe what you want to believe because it fits with your personal agenda. Don't pretend that you are being objective. And don't be so arrogant to assume that you know what is going on in my country and I do not, that you are more educated about those things than I am. You expression of pity for "people like me" is a blatant display of the arrogance that is so typical of your ilk. We just got rid of a guy just like you, after 8 years of his nonsense.

There has been nothing in your rantings that has proven any of the charges that you and your cronies on this board have made about American citizens' rights being "trampled". I have said before, rights are not endless. There comes a point where the protection of the majority has to supercede the comfort of those who feel constrained by those restrictions. I do not agree that terrorists should be able to operate freely just so we can all feel good about not being "profiled" or having foreign nationals detained, or having our shoes x-ray'd at the airport.

No matter what is suggested in this country to curtail the influx of illegal immigrants--some of whom are, no doubt, undesireables and dangerous to us, the bleeding hearts cry foul. That is enough of that bullshit. AG Ashcroft went up to Capitol Hill to sell a package the same way the Congress does--ask for far more than you want and what they give you will be what you wanted in the first place. If you want to blame somebody for what you see as Ashcroft's excesses, blame the political opposition who reisist even the simplest and most basic measures meant to curtail terrorist activity. At this point, we're trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube. I don't know what you are doing in Canada, but I still have a (naive?) coinfidence in our government, and in the citizens of this country, that we are not going to allow the kind of doomsday individual rights scenario that you are painting (and hoping for, I suppose).

If it were to come to pass that you are correct, that sort of makes the whole 2nd Amendment thing make sense then. Eh?

 

[CanadianCripple]

You're insane.

"not, that you are more educated about those things than I am. You expression of pity for "people like me" is a blatant display of the arrogance that is so typical of your ilk."

Arrogance? Ths from the same guy who said this: "The last thing we need is advice from a second-rate country that wouldn't even be that high up on the list if it didn't border the U.S. Canada is only half a step ahead of Europe which is, comparateively, still in the stone age. "


Ilk? I'm a right wing, free market, live & let live conservative. Immigration should be limited... illegals should be booted etc... & no I don't want the "doomsday scenario" to come about. Unfortunately, people let the political loyalties (party line) get in the way of seeing what's really going on. And as much credit you give the general population, I lean the other way. The people of the world's democracies won't realize their rights are being eroded until it's too late... I hope I'm wrong.

Having a few years under my belt, I have come to see there are very small differences between the way different parties rule. In the grand scheme, they're bowing down to the same masters and that's not the public.

Another suggestion for you... become a little bit more worldly & less jingoistic.

Oh yeah. I also figure it's better to avoid civil wars by standing up for our rights, now.

I'm not exactly sure what my agenda is?