arimidex vs nolvadex PCT

[bigrand]

Im not disputing what you say about adex Ult, im just saying 3-4 weeks post shot, you have nothing, no test, no test to convert to estrogen, you have to start from square 1 with SERMS to at least start test production, then adex to lower E to get the Test pumpin faster.

 

[Ulter]

Im not disputing what you say about adex Ult, im just saying 3-4 weeks post shot, you have nothing, no test, no test to convert to estrogen, you have to start from square 1 with SERMS to at least start test production, then adex to lower E to get the Test pumpin faster.

"you have nothing, no test, no test to convert to estrogen,"

That's overstated. Most of the time you WILL have test present, that's the whole idea. You don't ever want to go a single day without test so you want a smooth transition from your cycle test to your natural test. Arimidex creates an environment in your endocrine system to prevent a crash or a time when there is "... nothing, no test, no test to convert to estrogen". I am sure you've never experienced a day without test but if you do it will be very memorable.
Let me describe it to you.

You will feel as though you have mono. It will take all of your energy to get out of bed and you'll feel so depressed you may break into tears for no apparent reason. You can forget about training since you won't even have the energy to even walk to you car without taking a rest. Even the 12 hours of sleep you'll find yourself getting has no affect on your total exhaustion. As soon as you get out of bed you have to lie down again.

I just don't think you've got a handle on what your predicting actually happens when you come off. The instances of "no test" are very few and far between even without PCT. I'm not saying this doesn't happen to some people, since it's happened to me twice 15 and 17 yrs ago, but you don't see anyone posting this on the boards because it's so rare.

 

[snagglepuss]

since it's happened to me twice 15 and 17 yrs ago, but you don't see anyone posting this on the boards because it's so rare.

what caused this for you? how did you know it was lack of test? and when you figured out why, what did you do ?

 

[krishna]

I gotta go with Krishna with this. Post cycle, you are not producing test. If you have no test, adex does nothing. Remember, it inactivates aromitase and prevents test conversion to estrogen, but if you have no test, its not effective.
SERMS like Clomid/Nolva actually bind to estro receptors and trigger release of LH (bodys attempt to increase test levels in the presence of estro activity). Onve test levels are going up, you can use adex to drop estro production and it could lead to increase in test production, i dont think by much though.
I can actually recover really fast off just a few weeks of clomid......big balls.

This is how I've been seeing it too. My reasoning was a little off though, but to say that the estrogen activity is what increases test production makes sense. So one thing that will make it clearer to me is to know whether nolva actually binds to receptors causing an estrogen signal, or if it simply blocks the receptor causing lack of an estrogen signal?

 

[Ulter]

what caused this for you? how did you know it was lack of test? and when you figured out why, what did you do ?

I didn't know what it was. 15-20 years ago no one did PCT because no one had ever heard of it. There was nowhere to learn the things that you learn on boards like mine and this one. I didn't find out until the 3rd time is happened about 6 yrs ago and I happened to be going to a steroid doc at the time. He told me what it was.

"or if it simply blocks the receptor causing lack of an estrogen signal?"

this one

 

[snagglepuss]

I didn't know what it was. 15-20 years ago no one did PCT because no one had ever heard of it. There was nowhere to learn the things that you learn on boards like mine and this one. I didn't find out until the 3rd time is happened about 6 yrs ago and I happened to be going to a steroid doc at the time. He told me what it was.

"or if it simply blocks the receptor causing lack of an estrogen signal?"

this one

thanks. when that happened, how long did it take for you natural test levels to return to normal without the PCT? the reason i ask is that i had similar symptoms for about two months after an earlier cycle i did. I never knew what caused it - i thought i was just going through a bout of depression - but after reading your post i realize it may have been low test levels. at that time, i only did about 2-3 wks of clomid post-cycle.

 

[Ulter]

It takes about 6 weeks to recover.

 

[snagglepuss]

It takes about 6 weeks to recover.

even without PCT?

 

[Prince77]

Could you use Aromasin instead of Arimadex? Would it do the same thing except be better on your HDL?

 

[bigrand]

Ill give you that, no test would be highly detrimental to health and there is always some, but i guess my whole point is to actually stimulate the test production more directly, use SERMS which will trigger LH production in the pressence of none, very little or little test. They both have their modes of action (test stim) but SERMS are more effective because they dont really rely on test being in the body, sort of the round about way.
So use both!
Aromasin will work, anything that prevents estro formation.