arimidex vs nolvadex PCT

[Ulter]

That's not right. Arimidex serves to increase natural test levels by lowering E levels. You've got that backwards. E IS the hormone controlling the feedback loop. It is the fact that your body reads low E that causes it makes more Test. Arimidex raises natural test levels in men by 54%.


For anyone interested the Veteran's Consensus on PCT is at Anabolic Fitness

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/recovery.htm

It splains it all.

 

[krishna]

Then why is nolva recommended for pct when it blocks receptors and does not stop further aromatization?

 

[maldorf]

Then why is nolva recommended for pct when it blocks receptors and does not stop further aromatization?

this is a good question. Anyone know the answer here?

 

[Ulter]

Usually because it's cheaper and easier to get on the street. If you block E at the receptor than that's enough because your body's not going to know it's there. Some people argue that Arimidex affects lipids more as well. Bill Llewellyn makes some extrapolated arguement for Nolva as well in his book. But the fact is you're better off with Arimidex for PCT.
I wanted to edit this a little. Neither should be used alone. Just so everyone understands these are in addition to Clomid and HCG. Suppressing E when it's going to be very low already from no test being present post-cycle wouldn't make sense. But after a short time of low/no test your body will read that low E level and start pumping out the test. It's better to have your testes ready to do this for you by using HCG - Clomid to get LH moving.

 

[krishna]

Usually because it's cheaper and easier to get on the street. If you block E at the receptor than that's enough because your body's not going to know it's there. Some people argue that Arimidex affects lipids more as well. Bill Llewellyn makes some extrapolated arguement for Nolva as well in his book. But the fact is you're better off with Arimidex for PCT.
I wanted to edit this a little. Neither should be used alone. Just so everyone understands these are in addition to Clomid and HCG. Suppressing E when it's going to be very low already from no test being present post-cycle wouldn't make sense. But after a short time of low/no test your body will read that low E level and start pumping out the test. It's better to have your testes ready to do this for you by using HCG - Clomid to get LH moving.

I actually did some more research, and I believe you are right. I can't remember where I got my previous information, but I'd like to kick the source's ass right about now. It still doesn't make sense to me to suppress e levels when they are already low after a cycle. Maybe you can clarify this for me. Thanks for being cool about it and straightening it out. I have no excuse except that I accepted false information as the truth. Now after doing more of my own research which was prompted by your posts, I can accept the truth as the truth. k Ulter!

 

[Ulter]

Your body will respond to the low E by making test. When you come off the cycle and you run out of test, it's gradual. As the E levels fall below a certain level your HPTA will signal your testes to make test. The idea is to keep those E levels down low enough that this process starts sooner and lasts longer. These aren't real numbers but let's say your HPTA kicks on when your test levels are near 200ng/dl because it wants your levels at 300ng/dl. The test you injected will have you at 3000ng/dl. When you come off and the 3000ng/dl starts to count down every day, and gets to say 500nd/gl, and you're suppressing E with Arimidex that suppresses 59% of your E, your HPTA is going to read that 500ng/dl as near 200ng/dl because it's reading E levels not T levels. So you'll actually have more test in you than your body knows about.

 

[Güclü_oglan]

That's not right. Arimidex serves to increase natural test levels by lowering E levels. You've got that backwards. E IS the hormone controlling the feedback loop. It is the fact that your body reads low E that causes it makes more Test. Arimidex raises natural test levels in men by 54%.


For anyone interested the Veteran's Consensus on PCT is at Anabolic Fitness

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/recovery.htm

It splains it all.

yea bro,

but keep in mind that the increased testosterone levels are only temporary and artificial, arimidex decreases your already low SHBG levels wich won't do you much good once you discontinue the arimidex

 

[snagglepuss]

yea bro,

but keep in mind that the increased testosterone levels are only temporary and artificial, arimidex decreases your already low SHBG levels wich won't do you much good once you discontinue the arimidex

is that true of noladex, as well?

 

[bigrand]

I gotta go with Krishna with this. Post cycle, you are not producing test. If you have no test, adex does nothing. Remember, it inactivates aromitase and prevents test conversion to estrogen, but if you have no test, its not effective.
SERMS like Clomid/Nolva actually bind to estro receptors and trigger release of LH (bodys attempt to increase test levels in the presence of estro activity). Onve test levels are going up, you can use adex to drop estro production and it could lead to increase in test production, i dont think by much though.
I can actually recover really fast off just a few weeks of clomid......big balls.

 

[Ulter]

I gotta go with Krishna with this. Post cycle, you are not producing test. If you have no test, adex does nothing. Remember, it inactivates aromitase and prevents test conversion to estrogen, but if you have no test, its not effective.
SERMS like Clomid/Nolva actually bind to estro receptors and trigger release of LH (bodys attempt to increase test levels in the presence of estro activity). Onve test levels are going up, you can use adex to drop estro production and it could lead to increase in test production, i dont think by much though.
I can actually recover really fast off just a few weeks of clomid......big balls.

I am not posting the same thing twice. Read the other thread if you want to discuss this.