Are simple carbs fats?

[JustJacked]

The need for carbs should be 4:1 protein carb ratio post workout. Basically not that muc his needed.

Are you saying that you should take 4 times the amount of protein than carbs after training? This is crazy!

 

[gjohnson5]

Are you saying that you should take 4 times the amount of protein than carbs after training? This is crazy!

Oops , it should be 4:1 carbsrotein
I personally would never eat that much simple carbs post workout. Maybe eat oats as it's a slow digester.

http://www.pureendurance.net/endurox_r4_system

Even more significant are research findings showing that protein and the amino acid, arginine, when combined with a carbohydrate supplement can strongly stimulate insulin levels in a synergistic fashion. The ratio of carbohydrate to protein is extremely important to obtain this synergy. The Optimum Recovery Ratio (OR2) should be 4:1 (four grams of carbohydrate to one gram of protein.) By further stimulating insulin with protein and arginine, muscle glycogen is restored quicker. The result - improved performance and a faster recovery.

 

[JustJacked]

Oops , it should be 4:1 carbsrotein
I personally would never eat that much simple carbs post workout. Maybe eat oats as it's a slow digester.

http://www.pureendurance.net/endurox_r4_system

Even more significant are research findings showing that protein and the amino acid, arginine, when combined with a carbohydrate supplement can strongly stimulate insulin levels in a synergistic fashion. The ratio of carbohydrate to protein is extremely important to obtain this synergy. The Optimum Recovery Ratio (OR2) should be 4:1 (four grams of carbohydrate to one gram of protein.) By further stimulating insulin with protein and arginine, muscle glycogen is restored quicker. The result - improved performance and a faster recovery.

Yeah, I can tell you that this is an awesome combo. In my post shake I have creatine5g with 45g glucose, 40g protein, 4g arginine, 5g glutamine and a Pepsi. When I leave the gym I have the craziest pump going on its sick!

If I were you I would eat a fast digesting carb like glucose after training in your shake. You want to restore your glycogen levels as fast as you can and spike your insulin levels. Bro, try eating lots of sugars after training for a months or two. You will notice some nice gains. And as long as your training intensly you wont add bodyfat.

 

[gjohnson5]

Yeah, I can tell you that this is an awesome combo. In my post shake I have creatine5g with 45g glucose, 40g protein, 4g arginine, 5g glutamine and a Pepsi. When I leave the gym I have the craziest pump going on its sick!

If I were you I would eat a fast digesting carb like glucose after training in your shake. You want to restore your glycogen levels as fast as you can and spike your insulin levels. Bro, try eating lots of sugars after training for a months or two. You will notice some nice gains. And as long as your training intensly you wont add bodyfat.

Have you been tested for insulin resistance? It is not a good thing to spike your blood sugar on a regular basis. Unless you want to become diabetic.

 

[deltreefitness]

Like I said I do about 30min of cardio in the morning after I wake up before eating anything. It was mentioned that it's good practice to wait for 30 minutes before eating so you can keep burning calories. How long is safe to wait to replenlish glycogen before going into a catabolic state?

 

[gjohnson5]

Like I said I do about 30min of cardio in the morning after I wake up before eating anything. It was mentioned that it's good practice to wait for 30 minutes before eating so you can keep burning calories. How long is safe to wait to replenlish glycogen before going into a catabolic state?

I don't personally believe that carbs are the main factor in going catabolic or anabolic. it's your nitrogen balance , not your glycogen stores that determine this. I would like justjacked to point out where it says that glycogen stores are the signal for the body to start tearing down muscle for fuel, despite haivng a positive nitrogen balance. Why would fats not be oxidized instead of muscle?

 

[gjohnson5]

I don't personally believe that carbs are the main factor in going catabolic or anabolic. it's your nitrogen balance , not your glycogen stores that determine this. I would like justjacked to point out where it says that glycogen stores are the signal for the body to start tearing down muscle for fuel, despite haivng a positive nitrogen balance. Why would fats not be oxidized instead of muscle?

and I believe tyhe window is a 2 hour window post workout

 

[deltreefitness]

and I believe tyhe window is a 2 hour window post workout

I know there are many factors determining this window but even as a gerneral rule that's more than I expected. I always worry about this. I still try to keep my workouts, whether cardio or werights, to one hour or less. Then consume my post workout meal within 45 minutes.

 

[gjohnson5]

I know there are many factors determining this window but even as a gerneral rule that's more than I expected. I always worry about this. I still try to keep my workouts, whether cardio or werights, to one hour or less. Then consume my post workout meal within 45 minutes.

This is what this site says

http://www.cptips.com/recvry.htm

http://www.torqueathletic.com/news.php?ID=107&r=-14821

These sites say 2 different things. Studies have showed many things on this top. But what I have yet to hear is that depleted glycogen causes catabolism

 

[JustJacked]

"Get this, glucose provides energy for your brain and for making blood in your body. Glucose can be made from protein, however, this requires the breakdown of body protein, yes, from muscle. That's right, if you're not eating enough carbohydrates, your body will start breaking down precious muscle tissue for glucose. Unfortunately, your body cannot use fats for glucose. Also, protein has its own roles in the body, and making glucose is not one of them, so by restricting carbohydrate intake, you throw your body's processes out of whack"

This was in an article by David Knowles-degree in excercise science and bodybuilder.

Here is the full article if you want to read it. http://www.flexbodybuilding.com/nutrition_lesson.html