Are injectables liver toxic ?

[Ulter]

No you're not mistaken. Liver values are what the book tells them to monitor closely.

 

[khemix]

Also 1 more question Ulter. I've heard many rumours that tren is actually harsh on your liver. Care to elaborate why people think this and if there is any truth to it? I've been wondering for awhile but wasn't sure who would know for sure.

Chris

 

[NYBodyguard]

NO. YOU can't drink winny. I'm going to see about having your AS users card pulled just for asking.

lol

 

[Ulter]

Also 1 more question Ulter. I've heard many rumours that tren is actually harsh on your liver. Care to elaborate why people think this and if there is any truth to it? I've been wondering for awhile but wasn't sure who would know for sure.

Chris

Just your liver? What happened to your kidneys? Wasn't that the talk around the gym first? I can't elaborate on where rumors start or how. People believe the goofiest stuff about various AS. I would write a book if I could figure out who the guy is that thinks this stuff up, comes down from the mountain, and spreads the word throughout the gyms of the world.
No it's not hard on your liver. Or your kidneys.

 

[khemix]

Just your liver? What happened to your kidneys? Wasn't that the talk around the gym first? I can't elaborate on where rumors start or how. People believe the goofiest stuff about various AS. I would write a book if I could figure out who the guy is that thinks this stuff up, comes down from the mountain, and spreads the word throughout the gyms of the world.
No it's not hard on your liver. Or your kidneys.

Thanks. K+

Chris

 

[poantrex]

The Accuatane effect is overblown simply because the results of a lipid profile while on it is useless. Sure it mess up the test. Sure the readings are of someone who's worked at McDonalds their whole life. But in the long range prediction of CAD, which is the purpose of the test, this one episode is insignificant.

The doctor will not, at least should not, pull you off Accutane because of a lipid profile. If your liver tests are poor over a 2 month period they may pull you off but not for lipid panel results. No matter how ridiculous the lipid profile looks, like mine has at times, it is not permanent. You come off, keep a clean diet, maybe add policosanol, and you're Lance Armstrong within months.

No one I know uses Accutane who doesn't have cystic acne. I had to wash my sheets every night because they were bloodied by the acne on my back when I slept. THAT's when I turned to Accutane.

Doctors will definitely pull folks off of accutane due to poor lipid profiles. They won't pull someone off just because they're out of "normal range" - there is more flexibility there because everyone knows that accutane fucks lipids up. But if gets too high, very high..like over 300.. they will pull someone off. Several doctors have told me this. Rosche gives them guidelines of when to pull someone off because of poor lipids, and they were given a revision recently actually. I'll ask my doc what they are the next time I see him

 

[poantrex]

No you're not mistaken. Liver values are what the book tells them to monitor closely.

Maybe you haven't seen the information given to american doctors by rosche, but it tells them to monitor more than just liver enzymes. I don't know where you're getting this, because I know its incorrect. I've seen the information that doctors here in the USA are given...a doc showed it to me about 2 years ago. Maybe things are different in the UK (is that where you're at??)

 

[poantrex]

Thats so gross. I've been on Accutane almost 4 months and just started up a cycle. Ulter, I'm gonna PM you and talk to you about this acctuane + gear thing if you don't mind. Ulter gives good advice as usual to the guy son the board. Don't the docs focus on your liver values for the most part? Or am I mistaken?

Chris

Ulter is going to tell you that you're fine. I will tell you that you can PM the member AMGETR, who was PULLED OFF of accutane forever. He was using tren and omnadren while using Accutane, and his bloodtest result was bad. Small, reasonable doses too. He cannot take it (accutane) now. He was taking a shitload of liver and cholesterol supps, as well.

Why do you guys want to risk that shit. If you're naturally prone to acne, you should do the 15-20 week course and THEN juice to your hearts content. Especially facial acne. I cannot imagine having to deal with nodular facial acne day in and day out..I would never use AAS if there was a chance I could be pulled off accutane. If there is absolutely no way that you want to come off of accutane early, I suggest you use compounds that in no way would interfere with the bloodtests - like very low doses of test (250mg)

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Big dog mike..those links are completely of the subject...like i said..please show me a stufy that says....after 1000mgs test becomes magically toxic......
I will b ehappy to post some study for you to show you that protein when taken over 70g+ in one sitting will be toxic for your liver ( to apoints) EVERYTHING YOU PUT INTO YOUR MOOUTH WILL PUT some stress on your livver bro!

 

[Ulter]

On your first point... Roche gives them guidelines on Lipids, liver function, psyche, hearing, inflammed bowel disease, pregnancy, bone mineral density, visual impairment and more. What the majority of the doctors using it test for closely, is liver stress. So say all those who have posted about it. And myself but I won't even count me.
I am in the US. Here read all about it. Knock yourself out. http://www.rocheusa.com/products/accutane/pi.pdf

On your second point... I don't know what AMGETR's case is and he's not me or anyone else.

There was a teenager here in Florida who flew his single engine plane into a building and killed himself. His mother is suing Roche. Court documents claim that the psyche affects of his accutane course led to the suicide. Does that mean if she's right that people who have access to planes on this board shouldn't use Accutane?

You can't take one case and apply it to the whole AS using community.