NeedSize - Your killin me man i cant stop laughin at your posts. I know nada about training??? Ummmm....errrrrrrr....wrong answer bucko!!! This just happens to be a big part of my field of study. Someday i will be working in lab research on something to do with resistence training. And for the record been lifting naturally since i was 15 and seriously since i was 17 and im almost 22 so thats a good 5 years solid i have in the gym!!! And one more thing just for the record i am ACE and IFPA certified in personal training and working towards the biggy ACSM certification. Now can that be becuase i love learning about the right way to train or can it be i wanna make $$$. Obviously since i stated above i will be working in a research lab in the near future it's prolly a lil bit of both. The human body is a fascination of mine as well certifications look great on an Ex. Phys. resume!!! I am not here to brag and can care less what u or anybody for that matter thinks of me i know who my friends are on the boards so thats not even a question bro. Also been reading tons of posts on diff. A.S. boards for over 1.5 yrs now and have learned a lot of valuable info. but also saw a lot of crap. For the ones who knew what they were talking about and ones that led me in the right direction i gotta thank them from the bottom of my heart to the others what can i say? If u ever feel like comparing workout routines, diets, or pictures im all game since i feel i have the upper hand but as far as A.S. goes i'm still learning a great deal about them. I know what my first cycle will be and i know what my training and diet is going to look like and what supps etc i will need so i didn't want that last statement to seem like i have no clue when we talk A.S. becuase i could hold my own on that topic!!! Like i said been reading the latest research from journals, discussion forums, etc. over the past 1.5 yrs.