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any endurance athletes out there?

tri guy-
yeh the hypoxico tent is really expensive, the alto2lab is much cheaper and you just put a tube in your mouth. If my manager does end up getting one for us ill make sure to let you know how it goes. As for the L-Carnitine I think you should just inject it like they do in europe, alot of euro pros are all over it, personally I havent tried it but am quite interested. Your winter schedule looks good, and EPO in April wont make you slow! keep us posted! take care and happy training
 
I am STOKED to find some endurance athletes around here...I've got lots to tell!!!

I do road races, crits and stage races. Went on a cycle this fall to put on serious strength in the lower half.

Sustanon 500mg/wk
Deca 200mg/wk
Stanozolol/Winny

Gained 22 pounds in 6 weeks! Now it's time to shed the water, get ripped, and get back to my race weight at 155.

Wish I'd done winny/anavar/primobolan instead of the Sus. It's a real mass builder. Hope to God these thunder thighs shrink a bit before February!!!

Question: what will a cycle of Anavar or Winny do in-season where I'm only lifting 1x week for maintenance and racing/training like crazy? Recovery bump? Advise...
 
fat loss with steroids

I found this article on Fitnessboard.com Im not sure who acutally wrote it. I thought some of you might be interested, it's ment for body builders but I think we can learn a few things from it as well.



We all know how to diet, right? You decrease your fat or your carbohydrates, you add in some cardiovascular training, and debit five hundred calories per day. Then at the end of the year you will have lost 52 pounds of fat and life will be wonderful. Blowjob! I think we all stopped believing that about the same time we found out that Joes Anabolic Megapacks were not going to pack on the pounds a la Dorian Yates.

It constantly amazes me easy weight-loss could be, with the proper assistance from doctors and pharmacies. Is it any wonder that Americans spend millions on diet books, herbal diet pills, hypnosis, etc when the answers to fast easy weight-loss are running around so rampantly on the internet? Could it be because expensive diet drugs like Zenical or Redux have such wonderful profit margins?

Whatever the reason, the purpose of this article is to outline some of the best diet drugs out there and give a few pointers on how to use them properly. This article is aimed towards those men and women who have already decided to self-medicate themselves, this is not intended for the average person who buys into the current medical party line. For those of you who have already pierced the veil and seen into the greater world of performance pharmacology, this article is for you.

ANABOLIC STEROIDS
What! Silence in the room, please! Does anyone doubt that steroids are some of the most potent diet drugs in the world? If you have been into fitness for any length of time you know that it doesn matter what the scale reads, its what the calipers say. Hopefully no one, except anorexic dancers and models, think that just by weighing a certain weight you will look good.

Dieting causes both fat and muscle loss, this is a universal truth. The trick is to loss the most fat and the least muscle. This is where our little anabolic friends come in. Steroids act powerfully against the process of catabolism; the process in which your body breaks down existing muscle mass for immediate energy.

Therefor, most male dieters who are willing to use drugs should use some sort of steroid therapy. I would recommend testosterone at a moderately high dosage and some deca-durabolin or anavar. Yes, deca-durabolin will cause water retention, as will the testosterone, but when you come off the cycle the water will fall off. The most important thing to remember here is that you want the strongest androgen base you can afford and tolerate so that you lose as little muscle as possible. If you are concerned with holding water and have access to winstrol, trenbolone acetate, and primobolan these drugs could be used. However, this is not an article on contest prep, but rather getting yourself down to a maintainable low level of body fat. With this is mind it is best to disregard the water retention aspect of most drugs. Explicitly I would advocate weekly dosages of 500-1000 mg of testosterone per week (I would use a faster acting testosterone like propionate if I could, taken daily) along with 300-500 mg of deca-durabolin per week. Trenbolone could be used at dosages of 50-100 mg taken every other day.

T3 Thyroid Hormone
Listen, any caloric deficit will reduce thyroid output. The answer, as many have already written, is to trick your body by keeping your thyroid and thus your metabolism artificially high. The drug to use here is T3. T3 is the metabolically active form of thyroid hormone, T4 is the storage form; unless you have a serious T4 problem taking Synthroid (the trade name of T4) is not going to help you that much.

There are two approaches to using T3. One, outlined in Duchaines BodyOpus, involves keeping your metabolism at a high, but not unnaturally high, rate. Basically you are using the T3 to keep your metabolism to what it should be despite your low calories. You monitor your temperature and adjust it upwards with thyroid hormone. This is not my preferred method of using T3. Duchaine admits that maintaining this "optimal metabolic rate" with drugs is going to cause your natural thyroid axis to shut down, usually for about eight weeks.

Why then, if you are already going to have this shunted natural output, shouldn you use enough T3 to put you "over the top." To this end, T3 should be used for six week periods at dosages of between 75-100 mcg. I have just recently seen an email wherein someone talks about using 200 mcg of T3; apparently the "pros" he knows do this. Great, and I bet our compatriot weighs 160 pounds. Too much T3 is catabolic. You need to find balance, grasshopper and balance in this case is in the dosage range I recommended.

Cytomel works amazingly well for women too, but increased catabolism will be observed. If a woman is not going to use AS (and using a drug like deca durabolin is not going to turn them into some sort of monster) she would be better off using T3 as outlined in Duchaines book, just to keep ahead of the game. Dosages for women should be lower then those used by male athletes, I would start with 50 mcg per day (even that is considered high by some people) and work up slowly from there.

Fitness models live on T3 and clenbuterol because it means they can eat like crap and still look good. The temptation with this drug is too use it constantly to replace proper eating. Bad idea, ever wonder why fitness models have careers that last about two years. Thats about the longest a body can stand up to the cytomel, clenbuterol, and cocaine before it shuts down. Do not consider the cytomel a license to gorge yourself. The lower your calories the better the drug works. You can use cytomel to not get fat, but that is a very dangerous habit to get into.

Amphetamines
No one likes to remember that for the longest time anorectics were the best selling diet drug. A whole generation of homemakers had to go through withdrawal from their peppy diet pills which were nothing more then amphetamines. Amphetamines kill appetite, ever see a fat speed addict. They also make the user more motivated and more likely to exercise. Hell, pop 50 mg of ephedrine and see how much more tolerable the treadmill seems (yes, ephedrine is chemically akin to amphetamines)

The most powerful amphetamines are the illegal ones, cocaine and methamphetamines. Ironically it is probably easier to get access to these drugs then most steroid compounds or diet drugs mentioned in this article. The biggest problem with amphetamines is that they are addictive. I have never seen a sensible cocaine dosing schedule that permits weight-loss without addiction. The risk of addiction with less powerful drugs is not enough, in my book, to recommend against them. The stronger drugs are going to be more addictive, a milder drug like Tenuate is not going to addict as quickly. Still these drugs should be used in short spurts.

The second problem with amphetamines is that you just don eat. Great huh! No- you need to eat something to keep up muscle mass and also maintain some degree of thyroid function. The sensible solution. Use Tenuate with T3 and use an alarm clock to remind you to eat at least enough protein to maintain your level.

Ephedrine and Clenbuterol
Both of these compounds belong to the family of beta-adrenic receptor agonists. There are already numerous articles on these two drugs work and how to use them, so I will not delve deeply into the biochemistry of this drug family. Suffice it to say that both drugs increase the bodys metabolic rate substantially, maintain energy levels despite caloric deficit, and help to maintain muscle mass.. The key difference between Ephedrine and Clenbuterol is that clenbuterol has much more rapid receptor attenuation, it stops working more quickly. It is more powerful, but it doesn work for as long. In the final analysis, clenbuterol and ephedrine should be used together. I would propose two weeks of clenbuterol, then two weeks of ephedrine (with the standard addition of caffeine and aspirin), then back to the clenbuterol. Throughout this whole time I would be using T3; studies show that some of the diminishing returns from Clenbuterol are due to the fact that "it burns up T3".

An interesting note about dosing schedules for these two drugs. Clenbuterol has a very long period of action and a long half-life. The key reason clenbuterol is not used in the United States is that the drug has a period of action of about 10 hours, which is considered too long. Doctors prefer shorter acting drugs that require more frequent administration, which is why albuterol is prescribed in the United States. The half-life of clenbuterol in the body is also rather long, over 48 hours. This means that the commonly recommended method of taking clenbuterol, the two days on two days off split, is not effective. It is far better to adhere to a two weeks on two weeks off method as detailed later. Ephedrine has a period of action of around 6-8 hours, but caffeine extended the duration of this action.

DNP
Ahh, the current wonder drug, the rage of the "hardcore" body-building world. If only you could take (or survive) DNP you would transform your physique instantly. I am not out to demonize DNP, why should I? True, it is a poison and it can kill you quickly at dosages not too far removed from "therapeutic dosages" (technically, its LD-50, lethal dosage for fifty percent of its users, is not much greater then its targeted dosage range). DNP deserves your respect and your utmost care. This is not a drug that forgives mistakes. What is the worse that can happen if you take two extra anadrol pills in a day by accident…if this is not repeated, very little. With DNP the results could be death after unsuccessful attempts to bring down your core temperature with ice water enemas. So, my conclusions about DNP are pretty straightforward. Does it work? Yes. Is it more dangerous then the other drugs you are used to using? Yes. Should the average person looking to get lean for the beach use it (even if they are a heavy AAS user)? No.

So lets put all this together. We have three classes of drugs that have been briefly presented.

Anti-Catabolics (steroids)

Hunger Suppressants (tenuate dospan)

Metabolic Rate Stimulators (Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Cytomel, DNP)

But none of this is going to do you much good if you are eating like a hog. Losing fat involves dieting. The above drugs can be used to eat like crap and stay looking good, but the purpose of this article is not to encourage sloppy habits that are covered up with habitual drug use. Whatever style of dieting you use, be it high carb or low carb, keep the calories low and the protein high. How low should the calories be. Throw out all that you think you know about deficit caloric dieting. With the T3 being used as I advocate you only need to be concerned with keeping your protein high, and total calories very low, around 12 calories per pound of mass. I would keep protein at 2 grams per pound of weight.

Most of the drugs mentioned above over in action, tenuate is both a metabolic rate stimulator and a hunger suppressant. I would propose that for man dieting to keep as much mass as possible the following program be adopted.

Week 1: Begin use of heavy androgen therapy, preferably starting with a strong base of testosterone. Decadurabolin or primobolan may be used as well.

Week 2: Continue steroid dosages, but add in 75 mcg of cytomel per day. Begin using clenbuterol at 100 mcg per day.

Week 3: Same as week 2 but increase cytomel to 100 mcg per day. Increase clenbuterol to 120 mcg per day.

Week 4: Stop using clenbuterol. Use ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin (and yohimbine hydrochloride at 5-10 mgs three times daily if you can tolerate it. Yohimbine is something of an anti-diuretic so don worry about the water retention; the drugs fat burning properties out-weight the water gain) ) three times a day (standard ECA stack dosages). Take one tenuate dospan immediately upon waking up.

Week 5: continue as in week 4

Week 6: Stop using ECA and tenuate, go back to clenbuterol at 120 mcg per day. T3 stays at 100 mcgs per day

Week 7: Same as week 6, only use 140 mcg of clenbuterol and 75 mcg of cytomel.

Week 8: All steroids stop, all T3 stops. Resume ECA stack. Do not let your calories get out of control, your metabolism will be sluggish in this recovery period. The ECA should help blunt the hunger, but do not let your mentality change. You are not out of the woods yet and you shouldn begin the celebratory feast. Manage your food for another 6 weeks, at which point your thyroid levels should be back to normal and you will have a true perspective on what you have accomplished.

Wait at least 8 weeks and repeat.

Now I am going to bring up the single biggest problem facing dieters and that is…their psyche. You have spent years backing on all this muscle and the though of losing even an ounce is like a punch in the kidneys (hey…your kidneys are already overworked anyway). So what if you have a little flab, a little gut. By god you can bench 350 pounds for reps, you don need a six pack. Girls like bigger guys, they understand that power comes from the gut! Sure buddy…and I got these magic anabolic beans. Realistically what happens is this. The diet begins and you begin to drop weight. The lack of calories and carbohydrates makes your muscles appear flat and smaller. Your strength is way down, despite the stimulants. You begin to imagine that you are wasting away. So what happens, you gorge yourself…you blow your diet and waste all the time and money you spent! So what can be done. Here are my recommendations for mentally preparing yourself for dieting.

Plan your diet and drug use with a friend. It never fails that people get desperate and crazy when they start using drugs of any kind. You think you should bump up the dosages, add a new drug, stay on a month longer. Why?-because anxiety and insecurity are the mental demons of bodybuilding. Your buddy will help keep you to the plan which you decided on while not under diet induced psychosis.

Take some pictures before you start and get your weight and body-fat determined. This will help provide you with solace as you see that the weight drop is mostly fat and not your hard earned muscle. Clothing lies as much as the scale. This is also where the role of an observer comes in. Your buddies can help you assess your progress and honestly keep track of where you stand. Tape measure yourself and get a good idea of your vital statistics. Your mentality should not be "after all this I still only have xx inch arms" it should be "after losing all this fat I still have xx inch arms".

Clear your schedule. No business trips, no spring break, no necessary party. If you follow my diet advice your dieting period will be a brief 6 weeks. Its not to hard to forgo difficult social situations for this period of time. Once this cutting phase begins you need to commit to it.

Prepare your diet well in advance and purchase the protein powders, etc that you will need. Do not put yourself in the situation where you have no food at work and so YOU HAVE TO get a candy bar. I use MRPS while dieting to almost the exclusion of solid food. It is more expensive but its convenient and precise. This leads me to my next point. Count your damn calories. You will be surprised at how many calories are in the little cheat meals you thought no-one noticed. I would recommend that you use MRPs again because you will know exactly how many calories and how many grams of nutrients you are getting.

**** cheat days! We are not building your body for life here. If you are serious enough to undertake altering your metabolism with thyroid hormone and bolstering your body with anabolic steroids you sure as crap better have the fortitude to forgo a day of gorging yourself on junk-food. I am in favor of the occasional relaxing of the diet (but not for a whole day, rather a meal), but this does not mean through all principles out of the window. If a cheat meal is the difference between staying on the diet or going off, then have that cheat meal. But let it end there. If you are doing low carb, remember that the one cheat meal is going to more then likely bump you out of ketosis, so try to save your cheat meals for carbing-up days. I cannot stress this enough. You are radically improving your metabolic state, you are making sacrifices. Do not sabotage yourself. Avoid sources of temptation, banish junk food from your presence. Do whatever the hell you have to do so that for the next six weeks you can eat as close to perfect as possible and let the drugs (and your discipline) reward you.

I hate to sound like some sort of mainstream diet book pep talk, but the above mental preparations are as important as the drugs I discussed first in the article. Without understanding the mental pitfalls you face, you are ill-prepared to embark on any diet, much less one accompanied by heavy stimulant use. Trust me, the drugs will not increase your sense of well-being. They are designed to mimic adrenaline in the body, you will not usually feel perfectly at ease. That is why mental preparation is so important. Remember - do or do not…there is no try
 
bike racer-

damn dude 22lbs in 6 weeks? why did you do a steriod cycle if you just want to get back down to your race weight of 155? and i hope you dont get drug tested in the next year and a half! im not too educated on anabolic steriods so i cant really say what a cycle of winny or anavar would do during the year, but most guys do hgh or a low dose test prop cycle in the winter and use different kinds of drugs during the year. what level of racing do you compete at? take care
rider
 
Rider

Got down to 150 at the end of the season. So ripped that you could see liver, kidneys and food moving through the digestive tract due to NO BODYFAT!!!! [a slight exaggeration]. Anyway, working in the weightroom to get huge strength (sprinting/jumps) for crits and sustained strength for long climbs. Want to put on net 5 lbs. of lower body muscle. I believe that will really help the crits/local road races... Proof will be in the pudding.

Hindsight 20/20, I would go with Anavar/Winny or some light combo. I do not enjoy feeling like a bloated water buffalo.

Cat IV, upgrade to 3 this upcoming season. Masters' races as well.
 
Re: Rider

Bikeracer said:
Got down to 150 at the end of the season. So ripped that you could see liver, kidneys and food moving through the digestive tract due to NO BODYFAT!!!! [a slight exaggeration]. Anyway, working in the weightroom to get huge strength (sprinting/jumps) for crits and sustained strength for long climbs. Want to put on net 5 lbs. of lower body muscle. I believe that will really help the crits/local road races... Proof will be in the pudding.

Hindsight 20/20, I would go with Anavar/Winny or some light combo. I do not enjoy feeling like a bloated water buffalo.

Cat IV, upgrade to 3 this upcoming season. Masters' races as well.

Fuck! 22lbs! that will be bad for your climbing-I wouldn't want to haul an extra 22 around Redlands or Visalia. Trying to loose that much weight can be detrimental to your form. Your body could crap out on you midseason. Loosing a significant amount of weight too fast is very stressful for your body. So be careful, get rest and eat well.

Anavar and winny would be fine during the season, both will increase your hematocrit. Instead of lifting inseason just train more. You'll add muscle mass just by riding and using anabolics. I've heard winny can cause joint pain so be leery of that. Anavar is an all around good drug-however make sure you get good stuff like BTG. Supposedly there's lots of fake stuff floating around. Plan your cycle appropriately as the hormonal and (hcrit) crash a few weeks post cycle makes your form suck too. Good luck-I'll see you at the races-really I'll see you at the races!

FHG
 
Re: Re: Rider

fhg43 said:


Fuck! 22lbs! that will be bad for your climbing-I wouldn't want to haul an extra 22 around Redlands or Visalia. Trying to loose that much weight can be detrimental to your form.

I've been assured that at least 10 pounds of that will come off very fast, 2-3 wks post sus/deca (water weight from mass builders). I've been off them almost 2 wks now. That leaves 12 lbs. Could probably stand to lose +/- 5 in fat lbs. That leaves 7 pounds. Still alot. If that's muscle, let's hope it's all legs. Let some of it catabolize during the Stage races! The upper body? Screw it. Let it catabolize to girlie man proportions. Just hope I can get this all to happen by Jan 1. Nothing like being a crash test dummy.


Good luck-I'll see you at the races-really I'll see you at the races!

Do we know each other? Hmmmmmmm. Interesting....... I keep confidences well. It's key to my profession....

Good luck!

FHG
 
Bubump...

for effect yo...

Come on boys post some shit, this thread was at the bottom of the page.

Decagod, bikeracer, rider: report in!

FHG
 
thanx fhg

started trainin hardcore beg of nov (seasons diffrent from Cycling)

looking for some energy but with out the anxiety/jitters!?
DMAE + memory formula by biochem minimal stack

dmae, nivalin,piracetam, memory formula super stack

friends diggin test gel- no debillitating pumps, highr HCT.

.....build a strong core! recently learned & FELT how important it is.

dont have any fitnes test results yet. just recently did base tests. In jan ill have some results that will show how progress is goin!

Definately feel better recovery with 50 degree baths after training (10 min lower legs, 10 min upper body)& alternating cold dips with hot jacuzzis really clears the waste out!

looking to upgrade to CAT 4 this year so maybe ill "ride past ya" :) this year!?

.....will also have post 2week blood work next fri. we'll see how the "burst cycles" are working & test gels effects on HCT.

anyone check out that product "carao" theres a big thread on elite about?

peace

T
 
fhg43 said:
Bubump...

for effect yo...

Come on boys post some shit, this thread was at the bottom of the page.

Decagod, bikeracer, rider: report in!

Ok boys heres my update/plan for the upcoming season. If you recall I had a training accident with a car and spent the last 7 months recovering from a shattered knee!
I used a mild course of Anavar ( papervar to be exact ) for the last 5 weeks to help with my rehab , consequently I have regained 90% of my leg muscle mass , without really increasing my weight. So my goal know is to shed 20lbs over the next eight weeks using clen and a high protein diet.
Then start a 10-12 week cycle of EQ and winny finishing with var as a taper, that should take me through the early part of the season, maybe I will have an Armstrong style comeback!!!LOL

Questions:
200 or 400 mg EQ? ( remember NO weight gain desired!!)
Winny 50mg IM ED or EOD?
Clomid and Nolvadex If neccessary And when?

fhg43 , bikeracer, rider and triguy lets hear your thoughts , as you suggested I have canned the Deca! liked the strength but not the weight gain or the deca dick!!!

Once I get into the season I will post my personal results so lets keep the flow of info going.
 
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