Another GH question--Help needed.

[big4rt]

Fellas, I was looking at going 6 months with euro's @ 4IU per day and NO INSULIN. After research I understand that using test when not using insulin is the way to go if for cutting purposes hence, no insulin. For those of you who are experienced cycling it this way, what would you recommend as far as length of time on test while in the 6 month cycle. I ask because staying on test for 24-26 weeks seems like an awfully long time to me. Here's what I have so far:

stats: height 5'10, 200 lbs, bf 13%, cycle #9
goal: gain 15-20lbs, reduce bodyfat to 8%

GH- 4IU weeks 1-24
DECA- 600mg weeks 1-10
TEST- 425mg weeks 1-10
Clomid therapy- weeks 12-14
Fina- 100mg eod weeks 19-24
winny- 50mg eod weeks 19-24
prop- 50mg weeks 19-24
Finish with clomid therapy...

This is my first gh experience, so I'm wondering if all of these drugs are even necessary. I am going subq on all injections. Should I only use abdomin only or rotate using the thigh? Any ideas on calorie intake would help as well. I've noticed through the search engine that 4000-5000 calories a day is recommended on GH (I think that's what I saw). Also, that gap @ weeks 12-18 with nothing but GH is baffling me as well. I'm open to all help and criticism.

Thanks, gang.

 

[big4rt]

I guess I'm going after this thing alone. "Bump," for responses, however, because I believe in you cats. What do you guys think even if you don't KNOW....

 

[mvmaxx]

I'd personally switch the decca/test amounts. I'd rather be doing 500-700/week of test and 400mg/week of decca.

I'd also do your prop 100mg/EOD. Other than that I think it looks great. Let us know how it goes on that GH.

 

[big4rt]

I'd personally switch the decca/test amounts. I'd rather be doing 500-700/week of test and 400mg/week of decca.

I'd also do your prop 100mg/EOD. Other than that I think it looks great. Let us know how it goes on that GH.

Cool. I'm on it. I'm one of those "deca heads" who can be stubborn about taking it as a primary "ingredient". Thanks for your input, bruh ...

big4rt

 

[big4rt]

Anybody else??

 

[lawnsaver]

First off, you wont gain 20lbs while losing 8% BF!!! Thats like a 45lb lbm gain! Impossisible!

Also, you are going to need at least 2, 2 week cycles of HCG/n-dex to keep from getting testicular atrophy. Tren and nandralone for 24 weeks? Do you ever want your HPTA to recover?

Personally I would use EQ instead of deca and do the tren in the beginning so its increadible inhibitory effects on your HPTA can subside once HCG is used to get this pumping again mid cycle.

Just my thoughts

 

[big4rt]

First off, you wont gain 20lbs while losing 8% BF!!! Thats like a 45lb lbm gain! Impossisible!

Also, you are going to need at least 2, 2 week cycles of HCG/n-dex to keep from getting testicular atrophy. Tren and nandralone for 24 weeks? Do you ever want your HPTA to recover?

Personally I would use EQ instead of deca and do the tren in the beginning so its increadible inhibitory effects on your HPTA can subside once HCG is used to get this pumping again mid cycle.

Just my thoughts

Lawsaver, I appreciate you helping me out, but I didn't say stay on tren and nandrolone for 24 weeks. I listed nandrolone and test for the first 10 weeks. Then, there is like an 8 week break with nothing but GH use. After that I begin tren/prop/winny forthe last 6 weeks.

And, I said a loss of 15-20lbs while reducing bf to 8% not lose 8% of my bf.

In all honesty I do appreciate your input. I will definitely look into hcg before I go final with this cycle. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my original post. Good looking out for me though

big4rt

 

[lawnsaver]

Sorry, but you did say " gain 15-20lbs". I just wanted to point out that you wont. Also, my bad, I didnt see the break. Even so, I would switch the 2 cycles and add EQ, dont take 8 weeks between. Try taking 2-3 weeks and just use HCG/N-dex to get your testicular size. Doing the 2 cycles with less of a "bridge" will allow you to have the GH continue through your "real" HPTA recovery, whicj would be more benificial than taking it without anything for 8 weeks in the middle.

Just my thoughts

 

[BoomBoom]

Personaly I think you are defeating the purpose of your clomid therapy by waiting till two weeks after completing the first initial deca test cycle you have listed. If you wanted to try and use all these drugs I would do it like this;

GH- 4IU weeks 1-24
Fina- 100mg eod weeks 1-6
Winny- 50mg eod weeks 1-8 and 11-12 (to inhibit progetsterone from deca)
DECA- 600mg weeks 1-12
TEST- 425mg weeks 1-10
Clomid therapy- weeks 12-14
Maybe substitute Primo at the end of this for 6-8 weeks it does not effect test production and will assist with keeping you gains.
Finish with clomid therapy...

In my opinion this is the best way to maximize your initial gains into the cycle via Fina and winny and still make solid gains into the cycle with longer halflife estered drugs such as deca and winy and test and lastly to help you retain hard ness Via winny and retain gains while comming off while building test levels back up via the primo and clomid therapy at the end. Wow one big run on sentence...anyway hope this helps you.

 

[lawnsaver]

Personaly I think you are defeating the purpose of your clomid therapy by waiting till two weeks after completing the first initial deca test cycle you have listed. If you wanted to try and use all these drugs I would do it like this;

GH- 4IU weeks 1-24
Fina- 100mg eod weeks 1-6
Winny- 50mg eod weeks 1-8 and 11-12 (to inhibit progetsterone from deca)
DECA- 600mg weeks 1-12
TEST- 425mg weeks 1-10
Clomid therapy- weeks 12-14
Maybe substitute Primo at the end of this for 6-8 weeks it does not effect test production and will assist with keeping you gains.
Finish with clomid therapy...

In my opinion this is the best way to maximize your initial gains into the cycle via Fina and winny and still make solid gains into the cycle with longer halflife estered drugs such as deca and winy and test and lastly to help you retain hard ness Via winny and retain gains while comming off while building test levels back up via the primo and clomid therapy at the end. Wow one big run on sentence...anyway hope this helps you.

Why in the hell would he do the clomid while still on deca? That makes no sense. Also to use all that gear within a 12 week period is not going to be as productive and spreading it out over 18 weeks, which is how I wanted him to take it. This will allow the GH to stay in an anabolic environment much longer, which will allow for more quality gains. Also changing to EQ, he will be able to recover much easier. Use the GH/fina/prop/winny first, then go to GH/test/eq second, then go to GH/HCG/n-dex for testicular size and then go to GH/clomid Therapy to get his HPTA going again.

Just my thoughts

 

[BoomBoom]

I never said he should do the clomid on the deca in actuality he should run the clomid a good 4-6 weeks after coming of his cylce ran with primo he would still have an active anti-catabolic drug to help with keeping gains. Fina or ten is a shorter acting ester there for it has to be taken ed or at least eod but it has a quicker halflife so it takes effect early cycle producing large gains initially. Tren produces huge gains keeping the gains and not crashing at the end of a cycle is the problem. This would allow him to benifit from the gains off tren while still having other esters now in full effect to keep the body in a anablic states deca takes nearly 4 weeks or more to even notice its effect. Though running the fina and deca together you will likely have a high progesterone level active in the body, winny will help keep the receptors from absorbing the female hormone. Winny has long been used by bodybuilders as a hardining agent for competition and after large cylces check out Arnolds Encyclopedia Of a Modern Bodybuilder I think it talks about it in there Anabolics 2002 talks about it. This is just my opinion guy he was asking for opinions so I gave mine you gave yours as well I never said you was wrong.