anorexic site

[JLo]

Man - I am a bit late on this topic, but I checked out that thinforum and it literally made me sick to my stomach......

That is absolutely horrible. I will admit, I only read one thread and it was giving a girl suggestions on where to dispose of her vomit. The thing I have a problem with is the fact that the girls that were posting on elite from that forum were saying its a support group - and the way they were joking and carrying on on that thread about "hiding" the vomit and so forth was sickening.

That is so unhealthy to do to your body. Thats the main issue. It tears up your insides....

I think that anorexia and bulemia is for weak individuals who don't have the willpower and strength to lose way the healthy way - it's an easy way out and a cop out.

The women here on elite are very sexy and feminine and NOT overweight or masculine. Anyone can make themselves vomit after eating like a glutton - but NOT everyone can push themselves to work out and eat sensibly and aquire a much more attractive physique.

 

[Trance]

Forgive me, but I've just read a few of your threads. Clenbuterol and anabolic steroids are both illegal and highly dangerous.

And WE'RE the sick ones??

Sheesh.

 

[sysopt]

instead of giving advice on how to puke better or fast better, why don't you tell each other to get help.

 

[Trance]

Instead of giving each other advice about which drug to shoot into your ass, why don't you give advice on building muscle naturally?

 

[sysopt]

I've never gotten near a drug, thank you. I'm totally natural, as are many others.

 

[Trance]

I don't vomit. I merely keep my calories at a low level, eat lots of protein and exercise. Just like many others.

 

[wlibbe]

Trance--

I love ya sweetie!! Tell them how it is!! You are the best!

 

[Sassy69]

This is an interesting topic.... obviously a very sensitive topic as well. I think both "sides" engage in somewhat "obsessive" relationships with food & training/cardio. Some people are driven by how they look, how they want to look, how they feel they look - and this is all indirectly a result of how they view themselves. Sometimes there is some physical cause for it (naturally very thin, naturally very heavy, whatever). For extremes, though, regardless of how they pursue their goals (more control, feel good because their "clothes fall off", big muscles, tight abs, whatever) there is a certain degree of basic truth in nutrition and body physiology that needs to be understood in order for the body to be healthy. If the body isn't healthy, the rest really doesn't matter.

I haven't spent a lot of time looking at the thin forum stuff -- I know a few anorexics, I've been overweight most of my life. But both of us will be better people if we understand - the body needs protein to be strong, it needs a full range of nutrients to function optimally, it needs some carbs to have energy, it needs some fats to function well, it needs lots of water to keep it flushed, it only needs enough to run - too much gets stored as fat, not enough and it starts to feed on itself to keep running. Exercise is good - just look at the statistics on obesity in the US due to sedentary, McDonald's-laden lifestyles. Not enough results in a sludgy life. Too much results in the body feedingon itself. Its a well-established fact that being too thin first fucks up the menstrual cycle, which fucks up bone density, which ultimate leads to broken bones, constant weakness and a generally feeble quality of life. This phenomenon is observed in both anorexics and many competitive female athletes.

Both "sides" have experienced flaming by other people who can't comprehend the lifestyle that each chooses. But both sides are lame if they dont' at least understand what they are doing. Starvation, constant cardio, etc. don't really accomplish anything in the long run. A wide variety good quality food, cardio & resistance training are good.

Then after we get past all the basic things that the body needs to function at all, then we need to address the mental aspects of it. If you feel crappy about yourself or your ability to be in control or whatever, then work on it what ever way you need -- but you HAVE to recognize the things that the body needs - simply as a law of nature. You have the power to manipulate it, but what the hell good is it if it kills you in the end? Apply the basic rules then at least you have a life in which to explore the more extreme sides of the spectrum. And for all of us, if you dont' understand someone else's lifestyle, ask. If you feel that someone else's life style is counter productive, its hard to not share your views, but just as I don't want a religious fanatic standing on my front door step telling me I'm going to burn in Hell because I didn't attend their latest meeting, I try to keep my views to myself, offer when I think they will help and stop trying to offer when it is not wanted.

Did any of that make any sense? Its real easy to get into a discussion, start labeling people, etc. but its also good to pull yourself out of a category that is getting labeled just long enough to get your own objective view....

 

[wlibbe]

Sassy69--

Your post made a lot of sense to me. A lot of the things that you said were all true. There is only one thing that you are forgetting about. I can't speak for everyone who has an eating disorder but I know that for me and for a lot of people...we don't care about the health consequences and we know what they are. We are all very knowledgeable about what can happen to the body. We try to avoid some of these things like I drink Pedia-lyte to help with the imbalance of electrolytes caued by vomiting. But for the most part-I think we feel invincible to these things or just flat out don't care. I swear-that is the first thing people say to me--don't you know the health consequences? I am a 24 year old woman-I know the consequences. But a lot of people engage in risky behavior like abusing alcohol or drugs. At least our addiction does not completly screw up our lives. We can still function at our jobs. People don't get fired because they are losing too much weight. Anyway-I just wanted to point that out. Maybe a lot of you don't understand that this is not a diet method.

 

[Kaizen]

Trance and Wlibbe

Glad to see you are here and taking part in the conversation about body perception and obsession...

Trance_ per your earlier post... I agree not all women on the thin forum (or men for that matter) are skeletal however your closing line about pursuing an obssession to be a skeletal freak prior to my post does infer a certain commitment to a way of being that is not conducive to a long and healthy life...

WLibbe - Losing people to a BBing lifestyle is likely to occur for myriad reasons but I'd beg to differ that in the general norm of experience more individuals living a bbing lifestyle are likely to die that those with eating disorders... I think your further post about a common denominator of individuals with anorexia and bulemia knowing the health risks and not caring is horribly painful to me...

I've struggled with addiction and yes eating disorders are addictions and addictions can be controlled and broken...that is personal choice. No matter what my perception or commitment to my addiction was at that time I also knew it was wrong and while I was not strong enough to conquer it at that time, I would not turn around and draw someone into that addiction with me and drag them down by telling them where to score... Last thursday night November 15, a friend struggling with trying to beat dual addiction to alcohol and heroin put a gun to his head and blew his brains out...He was 45 years old..he had people who loved him, a daughter he was immensly proud of and he gave up. he started drinking he used again that day...People intervened people told him he was loved that the addiciton wasn't love, it wasn't safety, it wasn't healing...but it made him feel better for a moment took away pain and fear and uncertainty that he refused to challenge and face and overcome... his choice was to give up on himself let his addiction take control and then take himself away from us... It makes me damn angry. Angry that an obsession was more important than the impact he did and could have continued to have on the lives of those around him... He had a laugh that would roll up the walls of any room and make total strangers stop in their tracks and grin with him... He had insights and a heart that wouldn't quit whne he loved someone and he let an addiction take the driver's seat ... He's dead by his own cognizant hand..he put that gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger..He knew the health issues and he didn't care either. And now, maybe now, when it is too late... I hope to god there is another place where he can look down from and see the pain he has wrought by his actions... maybe now he can see how important he was to this world to these lives he touched... We couldn't make him see it..that's not possible you're right because he refused to be self-reflexive enough to find the value in himself that we all saw... So do i get angry when brilliant women are sharing with other brilliant women ways to slowly starve to achieve some sort of relief from whatever pain or fear or uncertainty that aren't willing to overcome without an addictive crutch...You're damn right, I get angry. I beat my addiction. I'm challenged by my appearance ..I understand wanting to look good but it is for no one but myself... I am not looking any longer for something else to make me feel good...the "approval" of a drug drink, person, or whatever... I want me to approve of me as a person of strong mind strong will strong love and pure soul... I have a moral obligation to maintain those ephemerals in a body that will serve long and well in this world so that every person I am destined to meet will be able to meet me and I them... A moral obligation to take what I know about my addiction and to be self-reflexive and help others gain a perspective into their motivators not to follow me down a road of pain and self-destruction.

Mike was an incredible man who made a choice not to care about the ramifications... I walked closely in his footsteps and were it not for a single moment of clarity at one point in my life I would have pulled a trigger too... I chose to survive and then to thrive. Am I on a soapbox, yes. Am I anorexic or bulemic, no. Do I understand living for an addiction, yes. Do I run around telling people how to shoot or snort to get through their pain, god no. That is my challenge with and to Thinforum. Why are you teaching each other how to load the gun, syringe, vomit bag to pull the trigger, push the plunger, gag on a finger? Why do you want each other to push on to death in pursuit of addiction and skewed vision that's all i want to know... Why is killing yourself okay as long as it is with/without food? I'm not being sarcastic and I'm not being condescending and if you were watching me type this you would know it is with tears in my eyes... I don't understand. I want to know why!?!?! Why won't you fight?!?!?!? Why is thin the answer to sadness and fear and insecurity and when those things don't go away no matter how thin you are why won't you try another approach??!!!???