Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Yea man after deliberation I decided to go with it I am on toco 8 and hcgenerate on cycle to make the pct lighter and I have some nolva on deck I will run it PC for 3 weeks, on my first ever cycle (I think it was 400mg ew) I ran test E had nothing for gino and to this day I have a little extra notch of nipple fat so live and learn. My same buddy that put on 14 lbs on var and never took pct told me today he shut down but they came back on their own, he is running another cycle same thing, higher dose 3 weeks in, I was trying to convince him to take pct because when you actually weigh up the pro's and con's it's silly not to take care of your natural test, and counter productive in the long run, it's like anything you can do a half assed job or do it right.
Anavar only cycle, the real facts.
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Yea man after deliberation I decided to go with it I am on toco 8 and hcgenerate on cycle to make the pct lighter and I have some nolva on deck I will run it PC for 3 weeks, on my first ever cycle (I think it was 400mg ew) I ran test E had nothing for gino and to this day I have a little extra notch of nipple fat so live and learn. My same buddy that put on 14 lbs on var and never took pct told me today he shut down but they came back on their own, he is running another cycle same thing, higher dose 3 weeks in, I was trying to convince him to take pct because when you actually weigh up the pro's and con's it's silly not to take care of your natural test, and counter productive in the long run, it's like anything you can do a half assed job or do it right.
OccupyMuscle
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Hello Lilblitz, I'm about to start a Var only cycle. Have never done any kind of hormones or steroids before. This thread has been invaluable. Only intend to do 20mg-40mg tapered up and down over 6 weeks max. Have bought some Liv.52 and N2Guard, HCGenerate and Toco-8 and will use all on cycle and during PCT. For PCT I have purchased some Nolva and Clomid (still a long way away,and I probably will not need the latter) but not sure how to run that. How should I run a nova/clomid cycle?
I will also take NAC & R ALA to rejuvenate liver function, and take flax seed oil for cholesterol. This probably sounds like overkill but I think its better to be safe and prepared. I have been told that creatine works well with Anavar, so shall take that on cycle.
I'm 40, 165kgs, 5'10" been training in the gym for years, but rarely make gains. Want to put on a few pounds of lean muscle and get that vascular look, nothing more. Will be running the cycle in three weeks time, during which I intend to do a lot more research. Any suggestions and help for a newbie much appreciated.
Lilblitz please keep us informed how your getting on, cheers.
I will also take NAC & R ALA to rejuvenate liver function, and take flax seed oil for cholesterol. This probably sounds like overkill but I think its better to be safe and prepared. I have been told that creatine works well with Anavar, so shall take that on cycle.
I'm 40, 165kgs, 5'10" been training in the gym for years, but rarely make gains. Want to put on a few pounds of lean muscle and get that vascular look, nothing more. Will be running the cycle in three weeks time, during which I intend to do a lot more research. Any suggestions and help for a newbie much appreciated.
Lilblitz please keep us informed how your getting on, cheers.
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OccupyMuscle
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The Anavar thread
Every bodybuilding forum I attend, at least once a day people ask about anavar only PCT and every day there is a different answer or a different person flaming the thread starter. Yes, most people have already heard to start with test, or add a test base, but we all know this isn't going to sway their mind so the least we can do is offer "proper" advice so people new to the game dont go and fuck themselves up. I have read time and time again people getting shitty advice which is the dumbest shit we can do for someone asking for help.. Afterall, once they do their anavar only cycle they will be back to get advice on their next bigger one, we all just have to learn by experience.
Some anavar info taken from another forum that was helpful..
Everything you need to know about Anavar
MYTHS
Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.
Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.
Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.
LIBIDO
The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.
#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.
#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .
#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.
BENEFITS
Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.
#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.
#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.
#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.
#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .
CYCLE
Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.
[cont...]
Every bodybuilding forum I attend, at least once a day people ask about anavar only PCT and every day there is a different answer or a different person flaming the thread starter. Yes, most people have already heard to start with test, or add a test base, but we all know this isn't going to sway their mind so the least we can do is offer "proper" advice so people new to the game dont go and fuck themselves up. I have read time and time again people getting shitty advice which is the dumbest shit we can do for someone asking for help.. Afterall, once they do their anavar only cycle they will be back to get advice on their next bigger one, we all just have to learn by experience.
Some anavar info taken from another forum that was helpful..
Everything you need to know about Anavar
MYTHS
Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.
Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.
Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.
LIBIDO
The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.
#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.
#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .
#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.
BENEFITS
Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.
#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.
#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.
#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.
#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .
CYCLE
Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.
[cont...]
OccupyMuscle
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LIVER PROTECTION
Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.
It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .
1 - Milk ThistleThe classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin
2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant
3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione
4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants
5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system
LIPID PROTECTION
Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...
1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of essential fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.
2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.
3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time
[found this on another forum but useful information about Anavar]
Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.
It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .
1 - Milk ThistleThe classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin
2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant
3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione
4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants
5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system
LIPID PROTECTION
Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...
1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of essential fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.
2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.
3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time
[found this on another forum but useful information about Anavar]
ConanX
Banned
Done var only cycles and other oral only cycles with NO PCT. Recovered just fine. But on one or 2 occassions recovery was a bitch. Lesson learned? Use PCT anyway.
For you with your injury, I suggest HGH. Once you're healed, then use Var. My girl is goin through the same thing. I just put her on legit HGH and she's doing wonderfully. She wanted Var but I held it back and I'm glad I did.
For you with your injury, I suggest HGH. Once you're healed, then use Var. My girl is goin through the same thing. I just put her on legit HGH and she's doing wonderfully. She wanted Var but I held it back and I'm glad I did.
How's it going buddy, either you are the biggest 5'10 man on the planet or you meant 165 lbs lol
Ok well I have finished 6 weeks with only about 4 days left, put on 8lbs and got leaner, and honestly I have not even been eating a great amount (I will post some pics i took a few before cycle). The only sides were dehydration, so i wouldn't take var before bed as you can't drink while asleep Liver gave me no trouble, milk thistle, plenty of water with re-hydration salts and cranberry juice sufficed. The taco 8 and hcgenerate seemed to do the trick, I have had no shrinkage and full libido, I am considering not taking the nolva or at least a low dose of it. If you consume at least 3500-4500 calories (which is easy I get 2000 just off my gainer shakes) and up the work out routine you will get what you are after if my case is anything to go by, then again we are all different. Let us know how it goes.
You are right man HGH was my first choice but the dose I needed for enough time to help out was running at a couple of thousand. I just had a baby girl man, it's hard to justify that right now.
On a happy note my lower back back (surrounding muscles) feel stronger than ever and as a bonus I went up about 8lbs in lean mass, so I am def an advocate for var, I'm going to run it again with some prop in a couple of months. Like you no libedo loss or shrinkage but I might run the nolva for 10-15 days at 20 mg just to say I did it I will see, got a few days left.
Oh and one more thing this stuff makes eating impossible I almost burst into tears when staring down at and about to embark on the 4 or 5 the meal especially if it is a bowl of tuna at 11 pm. You know the guys that make eating fun and prepare all sorts of innovative and tasty bb meals, I envy you guys where do you get the time and energy? I suppose this is of benefit to guys wanting to cut though but I have to be honest I used test only once while cutting and I know it is labeled a bulking agent but I swear test burned fat off me much more than var, var to me anyway is just a nice balanced compound for those who want a little bit of lean quality muscle with very few sides. I honestly find pct gives me more sides than the cycle but hey a necessary evil and defiantly the lesser of the two evils if your boys go offline....
I just realized I forgot to post the before after pics...better late than never. I am also going to run a tbol only if anyone is interested I will do a progress report on that too.
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After: arms.jpg photo by delaman1 | Photobucket
Not bad I believe from 173 lbs after 6 months of bedrest to 181 in only 6 weeks of moderate training. Just imagine if my back had have been strong enough to do a situp
Before: Untitled-13.jpg photo by delaman1 | Photobucket
After: arms.jpg photo by delaman1 | Photobucket
Not bad I believe from 173 lbs after 6 months of bedrest to 181 in only 6 weeks of moderate training. Just imagine if my back had have been strong enough to do a situp
