Anaphylactic shock, Anaphylaxis, what to have around when taking a shot.

[gjohnson5]

umm no...

the first thing to do is to restore breathing in the case of anaphlaxsis

true it does relax but this maybe a secondary drug once the fron t line drugs are used, like epi, solumedrol, benadryl, racemic epi, pepcid/tagament/zantac.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Yea but there are other meds that work faster. The fastest safest rate 2gm of mag sulfate can go in is roughly 15 minutes. Epi is the better choice as well as benadryl, and a steroid. anyways, I dont geuss it really matters on here. lol. I have a lot of respect for you Gjohnson. You give great info on here.

I think my uncle lives in or near farifax bro. Is leesburg near you?

 

[gjohnson5]

No it really doesn't matter on here. The problem is that is epi an incitant itself. You shouldn't (atleast the emergency services shouldn't) be giving a drug that has risks of hypersensitivity to one who is already having anaphlaxsis... You'd kill them trying to help them recover. This is why the environmental doctors don't use it.

Anyway Leesburg is a good ways from Fairfax. Probably 5-7 miles up fairfax co parkway and some 30 miles of so w on Leesburg Pike

Yea but there are other meds that work faster. The fastest safest rate 2gm of mag sulfate can go in is roughly 15 minutes. Epi is the better choice as well as benadryl, and a steroid. anyways, I dont geuss it really matters on here. lol. I have a lot of respect for you Gjohnson. You give great info on here.

I think my uncle lives in or near farifax bro. Is leesburg near you?

 

[mattdan]

Interesting post, but a couple questions: Doesn't Primatine Mist contain ephedrine?

Not ephedrine, epinephrine.

Epi is the medical term for synthetic adrenalin. That is why an epi pen is called an epi pen. It's short for epinephrine.

 

[samoth]

Not ephedrine, epinephrine.

Epi is the medical term for synthetic adrenalin. That is why an epi pen is called an epi pen. It's short for epinephrine.

No, I was questioning the OP's comment wherein he purported purchase of Primatine mist because it contained epinephrine. Primatine contains ephedrine, no?

Doesn't Primatine Mist contain ephedrine? I didn't think you could sell any form of pure ephinephrine over the counter.

 

[gjohnson5]

Supposedly it's been phased out since 05. But it did appear to have epinephrine
http://lungdiseases.about.com/od/asthma/a/primatenemist.htm

No, I was questioning the OP's comment wherein he purported purchase of Primatine mist because it contained epinephrine. Primatine contains ephedrine, no?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

it has .22mg of epi in it.

 

[F_ed_in_the_A]

Anaphylaxis is an acute systemic (multi-system) and severe Type I Hypersensitivity allergic reaction in humans and other mammals. Anaphylaxis occurs when a person or animal is exposed to a trigger substance


Anaphylactic shock, the most severe type of anaphylaxis, occurs when an allergic response triggers a quick release from mast cells of large quantities of immunological mediators (histamines, prostaglandins, leukotrienes) leading to systemic vasodilation (associated with a sudden drop in blood pressure) and edema of bronchial mucosa (resulting in bronchoconstriction and difficulty breathing). Anaphylactic shock can lead to death in a matter of minutes if left untreated.



The 2 definitions above were cut and pasted but what you are saying is wrong or maybe doesnt make sense to me about your definition of the two.


I was reading over this and I come across as an ASS HOLE. Not my intention at all and if i do i want to apologize. Thank you for sharing your experience adn we are all glad you are OK.

We just have to be carefule with the information we put out on here. People will have a reaction of some sort or an infection and come here for help and not seek medical treatment. The mister can and will give people on here not all but a lot of the NUBs a false sense of security. So becareful about the medical advice you give out unless you are a medical professional even then it needs to be kept to a bare minimum.

No, I certainly don't think you come off as an asshole. If anything, questions about a post are almost always needed to clarify. As for the definitions, they are correct, but what you're missing is, from your quote above:

Anaphylaxis occurs when a person or animal is exposed to a trigger substance
that is exactly what I was stating at the beginning. Every time I used an injectable from British Dragon, I was suffering from an acute allergic reaction. It may have been small, but each time you introduce this into your body, your immune response becomes logrithmically more aggressive and therefore more serious.

Yes, you shouldn't panic if you're blood pressure is under 120/80, the bottom number is the important one anyway, but if you've been on a 7 week cycle with more than a gram of test, even with healthy eating, blood pressure should be way up past 130/85, so if its normal after taking a cycle with these kind of doses, it is still something you should watch. The Shock part can come on over a period of hours or minutes, so this was something for people to compare to.

As for a very important note. I said in the post, that a HINT that you might be...

This HINT word is very important because people have different thresholds of pain, different skin reactions to allergens, and although thick gear can hurt, there is a difference between aching a bit and wanting to cry because you're driving home from work and you're about to pass out from the pain.

The point of doing two sections of symptoms is because the first section has symptoms that many suffer from that isn't a big deal, but it is time to start watching that it doesn't move into the second section of symptoms that I mentioned. An acute reaction does not mean severe, but instead abrupt, or swift.

As for my credentials, I've got a doctorate in pharmacology and an M.D. No, the inhaler does not have enough to properly treat a major onset, but if you're taking AAS and already putting pressure on your heart, even an epi-pen can be more dangerous than the shock reaction itself, due to blown heart valves and many other things I don't want to get into here. The inhaler is a safe way for someone USING STEROIDS to stay safe. You don't have to use it, I just suggested having it around. As to the dosing of it, you can check my numbers with any doctor or pharmacist.

Also, I never went to the hospital. I didn't take any antibiotics because that wouldn't help. I had what I needed at home. Problem is that once injected, I used the inhaler twice a day for about six days, just when I felt like my lungs were feeling heavy. As for fluids, I drank a ton of them, switched every two hours between advil and tylonol to keep the temp down.

I hope this answered some of your questions. And most importantly, this post was so that people pay attention, not to be used as a diagnostic tool. As for you saying that people sometimes use these posts instead of seeing a doc, you are 100% right. After my experience, I felt it was very, very important for people to at least pay attention. Heck, mark in a spreadsheet when you took the shot, degree of pain, blood pressure. If it gets worse, switch gear.

I just took another shot of Primo from a different lab. No pain, nothing, so this post is for one reason, which I put at the beginning and will restate here:

"For anyone new to thinking about steroids, this is 99% unlikely, so don't be scared away, just be aware, prepared and always respect the drugs you're taking."

If there is any message this post gives, I hope it is to respect the power of this stuff, take care of your body, be safe(not paranoid), and be aware.

Seriously, Errn247, I liked your questions and the fact that you care enough about the people around here to ask questions is great. I think you're the exact opposite of an ass and wish there were more like you out there. Thanks for reading the entire post too before asking questions.

Take care and thanks again for the great comments.

 

[mattdan]

No, I was questioning the OP's comment wherein he purported purchase of Primatine mist because it contained epinephrine. Primatine contains ephedrine, no?

It is in fact epinephrine, not ephedrine. I looked it up just to be sure.
http://www.primatene.com/products/primatene_mist.asp

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

No, I certainly don't think you come off as an asshole. If anything, questions about a post are almost always needed to clarify. As for the definitions, they are correct, but what you're missing is, from your quote above:

Anaphylaxis occurs when a person or animal is exposed to a trigger substance
that is exactly what I was stating at the beginning. Every time I used an injectable from British Dragon, I was suffering from an acute allergic reaction. It may have been small, but each time you introduce this into your body, your immune response becomes logrithmically more aggressive and therefore more serious.

Yes, you shouldn't panic if you're blood pressure is under 120/80, the bottom number is the important one anyway, but if you've been on a 7 week cycle with more than a gram of test, even with healthy eating, blood pressure should be way up past 130/85, so if its normal after taking a cycle with these kind of doses, it is still something you should watch. The Shock part can come on over a period of hours or minutes, so this was something for people to compare to.

As for a very important note. I said in the post, that a HINT that you might be...

This HINT word is very important because people have different thresholds of pain, different skin reactions to allergens, and although thick gear can hurt, there is a difference between aching a bit and wanting to cry because you're driving home from work and you're about to pass out from the pain.

The point of doing two sections of symptoms is because the first section has symptoms that many suffer from that isn't a big deal, but it is time to start watching that it doesn't move into the second section of symptoms that I mentioned. An acute reaction does not mean severe, but instead abrupt, or swift.

As for my credentials, I've got a doctorate in pharmacology and an M.D. No, the inhaler does not have enough to properly treat a major onset, but if you're taking anabolic androgenic steroids and already putting pressure on your heart, even an epi-pen can be more dangerous than the shock reaction itself, due to blown heart valves and many other things I don't want to get into here. The inhaler is a safe way for someone USING STEROIDS to stay safe. You don't have to use it, I just suggested having it around. As to the dosing of it, you can check my numbers with any doctor or pharmacist.

Also, I never went to the hospital. I didn't take any antibiotics because that wouldn't help. I had what I needed at home. Problem is that once injected, I used the inhaler twice a day for about six days, just when I felt like my lungs were feeling heavy. As for fluids, I drank a ton of them, switched every two hours between advil and tylonol to keep the temp down.

I hope this answered some of your questions. And most importantly, this post was so that people pay attention, not to be used as a diagnostic tool. As for you saying that people sometimes use these posts instead of seeing a doc, you are 100% right. After my experience, I felt it was very, very important for people to at least pay attention. Heck, mark in a spreadsheet when you took the shot, degree of pain, blood pressure. If it gets worse, switch gear.

I just took another shot of Primobolan - methenolone - from a different lab. No pain, nothing, so this post is for one reason, which I put at the beginning and will restate here:

"For anyone new to thinking about steroids, this is 99% unlikely, so don't be scared away, just be aware, prepared and always respect the drugs you're taking."

If there is any message this post gives, I hope it is to respect the power of this stuff, take care of your body, be safe(not paranoid), and be aware.

Seriously, Errn247, I liked your questions and the fact that you care enough about the people around here to ask questions is great. I think you're the exact opposite of an ass and wish there were more like you out there. Thanks for reading the entire post too before asking questions.

Take care and thanks again for the great comments.

What kind of medicine do you practice? You must like school? how old are ya?