hankes64 said:Oh I almost forgot, you may want to email Designer Supplements about this, they after created them and licensed them over to AX.
Also not looking for trouble
itlnstln said:bump - not looking for trouble - just the "truth"
buffalo said:I know you ain't,we both know how people get though. I gotta say though i got a sample of thier stimulant x last week and it did give me pretty good energy.
itlnstln said:so does ephedrine
PolfaJelfa said:Ill tell you what. I havent recieved jack from them. Zip. Not 1 pill. And ill say they have good products. Plant Sterols are very potent.. i predict that they may well become illegal in the next few years. They actually work and thus require PCT, Anti-E etc.
No one is claiming to have struck gold. But honestly they guys make some good products from their list of ingredients. Nothing wrong with a company making good stuff for a fair price. People make their own choices. If you dont like them thats fine too.
Obviously you cant compare results to AAS....youd have to be stupid to do so. But for those looking for that particular route its a good choice!
Yep, not plant sterols.hankes64 said:Their anabolics aren't plant sterols....
Everyone of our products is innovative and had not ever been released. Superdrol was originally developed by Designer Supplements and then was licensed solely to us. But every other product we make is an original that only other companies have coppied.itlnstln said:Hey - I'm a HUGE supporter of E.F. - but what the hell separates A.X.E.'s products from "everyone" else's - they are all the same ingredients.........................am I missing something
AX_Ryan said:Everyone of our products is innovative and had not ever been released. Superdrol was originally developed by Designer Supplements and then was licensed solely to us. But every other product we make is an original that only other companies have coppied.
Take StimulantX, two years in the works. Or Retain, over one year of development.
Rebound XT is just ATD, BUT was the first ATD supplement on the market.
Phera-Plex, we are the only company that has synthesis on the 5a isomer of 2-ene. Many companies have released copies BUT not one has got the powerful 5a isomer. Everone that copies is a 5a/5b 50/50 mix. Which is about 40% less powerfull.
hankes64 said:How do you these are safe on lipids? Obviously its methylated and was wondering how big of a dent it will make in my HDL and LDL
AX_Ryan said:Yep, not plant sterols.
Phera-Plex is 100% DMT (Deoxy-Methyl-Test). Just run a search on google for "DMT Steroid".
Same results as illegal AAS.................
justinjones1963 said:Excellent question.
I wonder if anyone has gotten any blood work done before and after using their products?
gettinripped said:[/B]
thats a bold statement!!
hankes64 said:A few of my friends gained 15lbs in 3 weeks from SD.
itlnstln said:Why's Superdrol Discontinued?????
hankes64 said:Congress is trying to ban it because its catching on to athletes and such and I guess a few were hospitalize with jaundice.
Thats a true statment. It was also meant "oral" wise.vgettinripped said:[/B]
thats a bold statement!!
They will def effect lipids like any other adrogenic oral.hankes64 said:How do you these are safe on lipids? Obviously its methylated and was wondering how big of a dent it will make in my HDL and LDL
Its getting banned. You can still get it online if you do a google search.itlnstln said:Why's Superdrol Discontinued?????
AX_Ryan said:Its getting banned. You can still get it online if you do a google search.
I think it would also be impossible for Superdrol to cause jaundice. It can help if the person is abusing it or has had liver issues/problems in the past.
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Hows that? Its methylated correct? Also, on your testing of these products (assume you guys tested it for awhile) how were the lipids? What should one expect?
hankes64 said:How is what? (Not being rude)AX_Ryan said:Its getting banned. You can still get it online if you do a google search.
I think it would also be impossible for Superdrol to cause jaundice. It can help if the person is abusing it or has had liver issues/problems in the past.
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Hows that? Its methylated correct? Also, on your testing of these products (assume you guys tested it for awhile) how were the lipids? What should one expect?
We did a ton of blood work. Superdrol is a Di-Methyl and it destroys lipids. High LDL and low HDL (Single Digits in some cases). That is why we always said 3-4 weeks on a cycle max.
Phera-Plex is a single Methyl group. Still affects lipids but about half as bad. If you do some searches on other boards there are lots of bloodworks that have been posted. We have never tried to hide that they stress the liver and affect lipids.
BUT for someone to get fatty liver syndrome (precursor to jaundice) it takes more than 4 weeks at the highest 40mg dose. I heard of one guy that happend to and I cannot go into much detail. He tried to sue and it was dropped due to alcohol abuse.........bigtime.
AX_Ryan said:How is what? (Not being rude)
We did a ton of blood work. Superdrol is a Di-Methyl and it destroys lipids. High LDL and low HDL (Single Digits in some cases). That is why we always said 3-4 weeks on a cycle max.
Why, Superdrol? Don't use it. There will be none left within a month or so from any retailers. It is just as toxic as many other illegal AAS orals. Many.hankes64 said:Why should we use this product?
AX_Ryan said:Why, Superdrol? Don't use it. There will be none left within a month or so from any retailers. It is just as toxic as many other illegal AAS orals. Many.
Phera-Plex? Because it is just as safe and has a better profile than most AAS orals. Any oral AAS on the market has the same attributes this is no different you just don't risk the legal issues with lets say Dbol or anav.............
Most people agree that take the product and get bloodwork it is one of the cleanest orals they have ever ran as far as gains and side effects.
I disagree totally. These compounds were also researched and patented decades ago.................just never banned.hankes64 said:Thats bold to compare it to illegal orals. Let me ask, where do you get the formulas from? The good compounds are already illegal, they are also researched for decades, and not that harsh on lipids. Could you supply me with a research write up that also has comparitive results with of illegal orals? Would you say they are as hepatoxic as Halo? Did AX also compare the bloodwork of a test and lets say Dbol cycle as to of a pure SD or PP cycle? On AM their are lots of blood tests posted after an illegal cycle that came out to be normal after a proper PCT, but then you get on the legals and it looks as though are you are death warmed over,
Again, (ignore legality) why should we buy these products?
Please do. All the info in the writeups is acuate you will find and pulled from the old research. Each compound had years of trials done prior to its patent. That is all I can say on this topic.hankes64 said:I'll try to obtain some research from a third party chemist instead of reading a sales pitch from BN.
AX_Ryan said:I just got a copy of Anabolics 2006 in the mail. Superdrol got a very positive write up by W. Llewellyn. Pheraplex (madol) did as well.
if you look at the guides and manuals posted by the representatives from anabolic xtreme you will see that we understand that these products are dangerous if misused and we give pivotal importance to safety both ON and post cycle.hankes64 said:Not just concerned about my health, but the health of others that don't know any better.
thankyou big guysawastea said:What's up Ryan?!? You're getting a lot of action at EF![]()
Superdrol should be 20% as androgenic as the reference standard methyl-test, and 400-800% as anabolic, while M1T is 910-1600%, and Anadrol closer to 300%, while being twice as androgenic as Superdrol, mg for mg
Phera plex write up: >>>> Phera plex is 40% as androgenic than testosterone! and 150% as anabolic!!!
Whats up man.sawastea said:What's up Ryan?!? You're getting a lot of action at EF![]()
Thank you for the support and following our product line.random said:Well, hello AX members i want to tell you that i ve bought all ur products line and more than once.
So, We should stop to buy testosterone&Esters...
huh?
I think u go to far when u tell us that percents. we are not all that idiots.
I show u my AX products:
3x superdrol, 5x perfect cycle, 4x retain, 4x PCT, 3x ReboundXT, 2x Rampage, 1x Phera-plex, 1x Ergo Max LMG, 1x Prostanazol.
AX_Ryan said:Thank you for the support and following our product line.
Check out the new Anabolics 2006 book by William Llewellyn. It ranks Superdrol as one of the all time great orals.
I don't do the write-ups be I believe they pull the %'s based on the standard methyl-test. (which itself is a horrible thing). Bottom line the %'s are acurate
Yes it has a writeup on each of them.gjohnson5 said:The Anabolics 2006 book has test results of your product compared to other legal , once legal, and illegal hormones?
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