An open letter to users of this site

[KCBARBELLJOSEPH]

How I am supposed to trust anyone on this site?

I recently found out you can buy "stars" and "karma" points. I am going to brutally honest here, what kind of fucking shit is that? Isn't karma supposed to show new members someone else can be trusted? Why would this site allow someone to simply pay their way to that position. I will tell you why, to sell they're bullshit products.

Now, here's what of two things will happen. This post will be deleted, which will only prove to me the corruption of this forum. Or I will get flamed saying I have few post and not to trust me. Well, I am not writing this to change other people. I am here to ask why the hell are "trusted" members pushing the shit out of NTBM products and other OTC products rather than proven pharma drugs that work. Or why sponsors have fake accounts that only exist to respond to post saying their products are G2G.

So go ahead ban me, flame me, say "you mad bro". But if you actually cared, about people's health, and stood behind your products, and this site. You would try to prove me wrong.

As I said, deleting this, or banning me. Would only solidify my thoughts about this board.

May the flaming begin.

 

[jester72]

Not going to flame, but as you can see by my post count, I am a veteran member of the site. You can go back through my posts over the past couple years, and see accurate reviews, logs, and CRITICISM of products that I've used from N2BM, Orbit Nutrition, and various other sites and sponsors.

I am not, nor have I EVER rep'd a company. I spend my hard earned cash just like any average Joe, and will tell it like it is. And yes, I HAVE criticized products and found ones that have not worked for me.

I have used everything from HCGenerate, N2Guard, Post Cycle, Unleashed, Gear, N2Slin, N2KTS, to things like PES Anabeta, Cyanostane RX, 1-Andro RX, and the list goes on.
EVERYTHING I've used from N2BM has been the real deal, and I have multiple before an after blood tests to back it up. N2Slin however was the exception; It didn't do a thing for me. Many others have had great results, but I got nothing out of it.

So no flaming, and no disrespect. This is just my personal experience with their products.

 

[KCBARBELLJOSEPH]

I appreciate the honest opinion.
But this still doesn't answer my main thing with this site, that people can buy their way into trusted spots. I also feel better trusting you rather than some guy with a signature advertising 3+ products. My main thing is when people will say, hcGenerate, and Forged Post Cycle are all you need. If ran Deca/Test stack and used Forged PCT alone or even with their AI, I would still be shut down. Sure I haven't ran a cycle like this. But if Forged PCT why isn't it more widely used.

 

[dylangemelli]

I appreciate the honest opinion.
But this still doesn't answer my main thing with this site, that people can buy their way into trusted spots. I also feel better trusting you rather than some guy with a signature advertising 3+ products. My main thing is when people will say, hcGenerate, and Forged Post Cycle are all you need. If ran Deca/Test stack and used Forged PCT alone or even with their AI, I would still be shut down. Sure I haven't ran a cycle like this. But if Forged PCT why isn't it more widely used.

Post a link to show me who is recommending a shit pct like that and i will personally post about how thats not a good pct... I want to see it

 

[Nelson Montana]

Fair question. Ready for an honest answer?

First off, I never paid much attention to karma. I see it more as a "like" button. You know, hey man, I like what you said. I see no reason to "buy" it. So, just ignore that if you like.

I've never seen a post where someone just recommended forged post cycle. That's an add on product and I think everyone knows that. I also never recommended HCGenerate for post cycle. That's a product for while "on" and I suggest using it even though I don't make a dime form it. And nobody is claiming any of these products will keep you from being shut down if you use high dosages or long duration cycles.

I have recommended HCG UNLEASHED and Protein Factory POST CYCLE (a very different thing) and a-dex as all you need for many PCT's and it's been proven to be effective thousands of times so I'm not sure what your issue is there.

 

[dylangemelli]

Ive never "bought" my reputation in any way... Ive earned it from day one of being here... I resent your accusations being made to the highest extent... Knowing the amounts of FREE hours ive given and so many others have to this community, makes your comments even more disrespectful... Pictures, feedback, blood work and results dont lie... You realize the amount of success seen here on a daily basis??? Apparently not... People buy karma for the gambling area in general, not for their reputation... You sound like you are more on a mission than anything else and clearly have an agenda you want to adhere to... Its quite sad and extremely disrespectful... Noone is forcing you to be here... There are plenty of boards where they could care leas about your health and safety and im sure they would welcome you with open arms there... Your accusations are ridiculous and out of line...

 

[jester72]

I've never bought reputation or karma either. I use the iPhone app 99% of the time, and don't even look at karma or rep.

To be honest, I thought that was really only used when we had an active bookie forum for sports betting years ago. I know that chat and conversation throws karma around, but it's pretty much to bomb other people there. I never saw much use for it to be honest with you. All you have to do is read posts, look at post counts, read a users join date, etc. and you should have a pretty solid gauge on a users reputability.

 

[bonacris]

I use my phone all the time so I have no idea what my karma even is..

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[stevesmi]

you work your way up on here. I was once a newb myself with no posts too.. I started out helping others and vice versa. you build up a reputation when you help people, its like building up credit

that's the way it works on any board genius. there have been people on here with lots of karma who have been on for 10 years who haven't amounted to shit because they don't do anything but play around. and then there are those who have been on here 2 years who are leaders.

your post gave me a headache because you have been on here not even a month yet you already have everyone and the site pegged to a tee, or so you think. why do we recommend sponsor products? because they work and because those sponsors make it possible for you to be on here for free.

 

[Zyglamail]

How I am supposed to trust anyone on this site?

I recently found out you can buy "stars" and "karma" points. I am going to brutally honest here, what kind of fucking shit is that? Isn't karma supposed to show new members someone else can be trusted? Why would this site allow someone to simply pay their way to that position. I will tell you why, to sell they're bullshit products.

Now, here's what of two things will happen. This post will be deleted, which will only prove to me the corruption of this forum. Or I will get flamed saying I have few post and not to trust me. Well, I am not writing this to change other people. I am here to ask why the hell are "trusted" members pushing the shit out of NTBM products and other OTC products rather than proven pharma drugs that work. Or why sponsors have fake accounts that only exist to respond to post saying their products are G2G.

So go ahead ban me, flame me, say "you mad bro". But if you actually cared, about people's health, and stood behind your products, and this site. You would try to prove me wrong.

As I said, deleting this, or banning me. Would only solidify my thoughts about this board.

May the flaming begin.

Im sorry but I dont understand the rant. So who cares who has karma or stars or points or pubic hair for that matters. This is the internet. If you dont have the common sense to be able to do you own research and come to your own conclusions about a given product, pharmaceutical or otherwise, then you shouldnt be using it. Anyone who blindly follows anyones advice without doing some due diligence of their own is an idiot.

 

[stevesmi]

I appreciate the honest opinion.
But this still doesn't answer my main thing with this site, that people can buy their way into trusted spots. I also feel better trusting you rather than some guy with a signature advertising 3+ products. My main thing is when people will say, hcGenerate, and Forged Post Cycle are all you need. If ran Deca/Test stack and used Forged PCT alone or even with their AI, I would still be shut down. Sure I haven't ran a cycle like this. But if Forged PCT why isn't it more widely used.

so you want to be spoon fed both what do use on pct and a place to get it? and then get upset when you don't get the answer you want to hear.. you do realize those pharma products are ILLEGAL without a prescription right? so how the fuck is a sponsor gonna exist that sells products that are illegal unless they were for research purposes (which are legal). if that's what you want go and gamble your money on some Indian pharmacy online that will sell you bunk and dirty products and then hope customs doesn't intercept it and now have your address

forged is an excellent brand btw but running that alone for pct isn't enough in most cases

 

[Duramax747]

How I am supposed to trust anyone on this site?

I recently found out you can buy "stars" and "karma" points. I am going to brutally honest here, what kind of fucking shit is that? Isn't karma supposed to show new members someone else can be trusted? Why would this site allow someone to simply pay their way to that position. I will tell you why, to sell they're bullshit products.

Now, here's what of two things will happen. This post will be deleted, which will only prove to me the corruption of this forum. Or I will get flamed saying I have few post and not to trust me. Well, I am not writing this to change other people. I am here to ask why the hell are "trusted" members pushing the shit out of NTBM products and other OTC products rather than proven pharma drugs that work. Or why sponsors have fake accounts that only exist to respond to post saying their products are G2G.

So go ahead ban me, flame me, say "you mad bro". But if you actually cared, about people's health, and stood behind your products, and this site. You would try to prove me wrong.

As I said, deleting this, or banning me. Would only solidify my thoughts about this board.

May the flaming begin.

You mad bro?

 

[broscience]

Let me tell you this chief...listen carefully.
If you go on any other aas/bodybuilding forum the most times they are idiots. They recommend crazy lrg amounts of gear or provide half the facts and try to pass it on as advice. Let me tell you when i first signed up on this website i was completely a noob. But people here are mature and truly want to help you out. And like you i also questioned why they push ntbm products so hard but once i tried them i understood why they are pushed so hard. Its cause they fuking work! No other website could you have veterns of the game give you advice on mostly anything. Instead of being a little whiny bitch why dont you try asking questions about products or better yet read posts about a certain product you are thinking of taking.

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[rustilldown]

Stop whining and do some research on your own. Ranting about it gets you no where. Ive tried almost every ntbm product and the majority i like... that Saïd they dont all work as advertised for me.. know how i know this? Cause i read endless reviews and tried them out for myself. After finding success with one product i had more faith and tried à second... then à third. Instead of ranting give one à try. I fuckin love the shampoo lol. Ranting and whining makes you sound like à school girl... this is à tight knit community we all respect eachothers health and opinion

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[Aplopez8]

I'm going to buy karma and rep tortillas for pct

 

[buddhabuilder]

Karma?

 

[ha1a1]

Things are what they are. Investigate, use YOUR logic and decide if its for YOU. That simple.

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[iron_z]

I appreciate the honest opinion.
But this still doesn't answer my main thing with this site, that people can buy their way into trusted spots. I also feel better trusting you rather than some guy with a signature advertising 3+ products. My main thing is when people will say, hcGenerate, and Forged Post Cycle are all you need. If ran Deca/Test stack and used Forged PCT alone or even with their AI, I would still be shut down. Sure I haven't ran a cycle like this. But if Forged PCT why isn't it more widely used.

I would guarantee that if anyone tried to steer a member in the wrong direction.. the reps or other members would be all over it. Would you really blindly follow advice without researching whatever topic is in question (whether its PCTs, cycles, or anything else? The people who recommend ntbm supplements is because they stand behind the products and the have been proven to be effective.. read up on some logs or look into the ingredient profiles if you have concerns. If your really concerned with stars, rep, and post count.. get off the internet bro.. why don't you take some time and understand how things are around here before you offer your remarks.

 

[hiasdamoon]

I've been a member here a long time.....inactive for a long time by choice and not living on a forum, but I understand what you are saying to a point. Yes moderators here may tend to direct someone to a product for a given goal. I see nothing wrong with it. There have been countless examples of products working for a ton of people. I remember when needto first introduced beastdrol...there were so many skeptics on here......then once it was explained how it worked, and the subsequent changes in the law banning it, people couldn't buy it fast enough. There will always be skeptics in the crowds, thats normal, but don't bash because youre a skeptic... Most of the products that are brought up here, do work for MOST people....and when we were having problems with a forum sponsor company, it was handled appropriately and that site was no longer a sponsor. It is not all about pushing products that are in a "signature"

Go ahead and be a skeptic, but stick to what you actually know. So head over to another forum where you are told to take a gram of gear as a 17 year old with no pct because you want to get big.....if thats the advice you respect and want, then theres no place for your opinion on EF....