Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I heard that jucing up and consuming alcohol is a bad combination. I'm juicing right now, and my diet and workouts are fine. I heard from a friend of mine that drinking alcohol causes your muscles to be in a catabolic state. I've been partying and drinking a bit lately. Is there any truth to losing your muscles when drinking alcohol and taking juice? Thanks
alcohol and juice
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Scaggs
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well anything i've ever read, and from people i've talked to stress heavily not to drink any alcohol during a cycle. its way too hard on the liver and too much toxins in the blood. me personally i would refrain from any alcohol during my cycles. juice is dangerous enough.
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Why alcohol is anathema to bodybuilding
1: Alcohol Clin Exp Res 1997 Aug;21(5):792-8 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
Studies on the time-course of ethanol's acute effects on skeletal muscle protein synthesis: comparison with acute changes in proteolytic activity.
Reilly ME, Mantle D, Richardson PJ, Salisbury J, Jones J, Peters TJ, Preedy VR.
Department of Clinical Biochemistry, King's College School of Medicine and Dentistry, London, United Kingdom.
A study of the effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein synthesis and protease activities was carried out in young male Wistar rats (150 g) for up to 24 hr after a single intraperitoneal dose of 75 mmol of ethanol/kg of body weight. At 20 min, the mean blood ethanol levels were 448 mg/dl. This level dropped steadily to zero through the following 24 hr.
So, this study basically looks at the effects of ethanol 24 hours
after drinking it.
Compared with pair-fed controls, significant reductions in total protein, RNA, and DNA contents were seen only after 24 hr in all skeletal muscles studied: changes were more marked in the muscles containing large proportions of type II fibers. In plantaris muscle, the fractional rate of protein synthesis (ks, %/day) did not fall 20 min after dosage but was reduced after 1 hr by 23% (p < 0.001), and by 63% after 24 hr, compared with control saline-injected rats (p < 0.001).
So, let us see.......23% reduction in protein synthesis after
1 hr and 63%!!!! after 24 hours.
This effect was independent of dietary intake because,
VERY IMPORTANT: Effect was independent of dietary intake.
SO, even with a PERFECT diet, ethanol still wreaks HAVOC
with your bodies anabolicity.
compared with the pair-fed group, the 24-hr ethanol-treated rats still showed a 52% decrease in fractional rates of protein synthesis (p < 0.001). Smaller reductions in ks were seen in soleus muscles in response to ethanol at 24 hr (-39%, p < 0.001). The activities of a variety of lysosomal and nonlysosomal proteases in plantaris muscle of 24-hr treated rats were not significantly affected by ethanol. Only alanyl- and tripeptidyl-aminopeptidase activities were reduced significantly (26%, p < 0.05 and 39%, p < 0.01, respectively). These results suggest that the muscle compositional changes seen over acute periods of ethanol toxicity are predominantly associated with impaired synthesis of protein and that the contribution of cellular proteolytic systems may be minimal.
Again,
The effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein metabolism are greater in muscles containing a predominance of type II fibers than in those containing mainly type I fibers.
Type II fibers= LARGE muscle fibers for TRAINING.
Type I=Fast twitch for activities like walking.
Ethanol's effects on muscle may be influenced by hormonal changes after 24 hr, because protein synthesis is still compromised and free plasma T3 and corticosterone are altered at this time-point.
Even worse, ethanol causes a HORMONAL shift. It increases
estrogen through the up-regulation of the aromatase enzyme,
lowers testosterone,increases cortisol and to boot reduces
free T3 levels.
PMID: 9267527 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
If you drink, and wonder why you don't grow, well......
read and learn then, because this is for you.
Why alcohol is anathema to bodybuilding
1: Alcohol Clin Exp Res 1997 Aug;21(5):792-8 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
Studies on the time-course of ethanol's acute effects on skeletal muscle protein synthesis: comparison with acute changes in proteolytic activity.
Reilly ME, Mantle D, Richardson PJ, Salisbury J, Jones J, Peters TJ, Preedy VR.
Department of Clinical Biochemistry, King's College School of Medicine and Dentistry, London, United Kingdom.
A study of the effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein synthesis and protease activities was carried out in young male Wistar rats (150 g) for up to 24 hr after a single intraperitoneal dose of 75 mmol of ethanol/kg of body weight. At 20 min, the mean blood ethanol levels were 448 mg/dl. This level dropped steadily to zero through the following 24 hr.
So, this study basically looks at the effects of ethanol 24 hours
after drinking it.
Compared with pair-fed controls, significant reductions in total protein, RNA, and DNA contents were seen only after 24 hr in all skeletal muscles studied: changes were more marked in the muscles containing large proportions of type II fibers. In plantaris muscle, the fractional rate of protein synthesis (ks, %/day) did not fall 20 min after dosage but was reduced after 1 hr by 23% (p < 0.001), and by 63% after 24 hr, compared with control saline-injected rats (p < 0.001).
So, let us see.......23% reduction in protein synthesis after
1 hr and 63%!!!! after 24 hours.
This effect was independent of dietary intake because,
VERY IMPORTANT: Effect was independent of dietary intake.
SO, even with a PERFECT diet, ethanol still wreaks HAVOC
with your bodies anabolicity.
compared with the pair-fed group, the 24-hr ethanol-treated rats still showed a 52% decrease in fractional rates of protein synthesis (p < 0.001). Smaller reductions in ks were seen in soleus muscles in response to ethanol at 24 hr (-39%, p < 0.001). The activities of a variety of lysosomal and nonlysosomal proteases in plantaris muscle of 24-hr treated rats were not significantly affected by ethanol. Only alanyl- and tripeptidyl-aminopeptidase activities were reduced significantly (26%, p < 0.05 and 39%, p < 0.01, respectively). These results suggest that the muscle compositional changes seen over acute periods of ethanol toxicity are predominantly associated with impaired synthesis of protein and that the contribution of cellular proteolytic systems may be minimal.
Again,
The effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein metabolism are greater in muscles containing a predominance of type II fibers than in those containing mainly type I fibers.
Type II fibers= LARGE muscle fibers for TRAINING.
Type I=Fast twitch for activities like walking.
Ethanol's effects on muscle may be influenced by hormonal changes after 24 hr, because protein synthesis is still compromised and free plasma T3 and corticosterone are altered at this time-point.
Even worse, ethanol causes a HORMONAL shift. It increases
estrogen through the up-regulation of the aromatase enzyme,
lowers testosterone,increases cortisol and to boot reduces
free T3 levels.
PMID: 9267527 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
If you drink, and wonder why you don't grow, well......
read and learn then, because this is for you.
my thoughts
Alcohol promotes water loss; common knowledge . Alcohol depresses production of an antidiuretic hormone we all produce. So we urinate more, which increases loss of body fluid and ncreases thirst. For each 10g of alcohol consumed (approximately one drink) 4oz of body fluid is lost.
Water loss caused by alcohol consumption involves the additional loss of important minerals such as magnesium, potassium, calcium and zinc, which are all necessary to maintain proper cardiovascular function; balace of electrolytes. These are also vital to the maintenance of fluid balance and to nerve and muscle action and coordination.
Alcohol also interferes with the metabolism of fat and glucose. Fats and glucose are chanelled into making body fat which accumulates partly in the liver cells.
Synthesis of fatty acids is also accelerated as a result of the liver's exposure to alcohol. The presence of alcohol alters amino acid metabolism in the liver cells. Protein deficiency can develop in heavy drinkers, both from the depression of protein synthesis in the cells and a poor diet. Heavy alcohol use can interfere with the intestinal cells' ability to absorb thiamin, folacin, and vitamin B12. Nutrient deficiencies are an inevitable consequence of heavy drinking b/c alcohol directly interferes with the body's use of nutrients, making important water soluble vitamins ineffective even when present in adequate amounts. The ONLY way to correct this problem is to take some nutrients though an IV drip or IV push. Alcohol usually raises blood pressure, due to an electrolyte imbalance, but this is not an immediate effect.
Two thirds of the calories in beer are alcohol derived (7 Kcal/gm). These calories are used primarily for heat and are not stored as muscle glycogen. Alcohol causes impaired gluconegenesis and lowers resting muscle glycogen levels.
Alcohol use results in decreased exercise time to exhaustion and decreased performance in middle-distance running events.
Athletes engaged in activities that require precise fine motor control, have a perception of reduced tension and increased relaxation as a result of alcohol, but the actual effect is decreased eye-hand coordination and impaired judgement and tracking.
Metabolism of alcohol interferes with breakdown of lactic acid and can result in build-up of lactic acid in the blood when alcohol is consumed right before or after strenuous exercise. (ever feel sore after a night of heavy drinking???)
Alcohol is a vasodilator: it causes the blood vessels near the surface of the skin to expand and thereby promotes heat loss and lower body temperature. (ever feel HOT while getting drunk??? this is why)
The use of alcohol the evening prior to an athletic event may be detrimental to performance. One study showed airline pilots performed consistently worse in task requiring attention and visual-motor coordination skills, 14 hours after igesting enough alcohol to reach a .10-.12 BAC (blood alcohol concentration). This BAC is reached when a 140lb. woman consumes 4-5 drinks in one hour.
"Alcohol acts as a direct toxin to type-2 fast twitch muscle fibers; the type most responsive to muscle hypertrophy (increase in size). A few studies have appeared in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research (22;1998). One examined the effects of a 12-week diet containing alcohol on protein synthesis rates in mice. Alcohol decreased muscle protein synthesis rates by 23-26% in the fast-twitch fibers of the rodents that habitually consumed moderate servings of alcohol. What appeared to cause this alcohol-induced drop in muscle building was a marked reduction in the anabolic hormone, insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1). In the presence of alcohol, circulating levels of IGF-1 dropped by up to 42%! That's IGF-1 in blood and muscle.
The largest of the internal organs, the liver, "weighs in" at 2.5 to 5 pounds. It is suspended behind the ribs on the upper right side of the abdomen and spans almost the entire width of the body over to the heart. It has two separate lobes that operate independently of each other (in case one side stops functioning). One unique feature of the liver is that it is capable of regenerating itself after a portion is removed. After a loss of up to 75% due to injury or surgery the remaining liver can grow back and be restored to normal size within several months.
Well as you can see I am against alcohol abuse. keyword ABUSE
Drinking in moderation is not bad for you, although it can still hurt you. Of course I still get drunk, but not every night.
Alcohol promotes water loss; common knowledge . Alcohol depresses production of an antidiuretic hormone we all produce. So we urinate more, which increases loss of body fluid and ncreases thirst. For each 10g of alcohol consumed (approximately one drink) 4oz of body fluid is lost.
Water loss caused by alcohol consumption involves the additional loss of important minerals such as magnesium, potassium, calcium and zinc, which are all necessary to maintain proper cardiovascular function; balace of electrolytes. These are also vital to the maintenance of fluid balance and to nerve and muscle action and coordination.
Alcohol also interferes with the metabolism of fat and glucose. Fats and glucose are chanelled into making body fat which accumulates partly in the liver cells.
Synthesis of fatty acids is also accelerated as a result of the liver's exposure to alcohol. The presence of alcohol alters amino acid metabolism in the liver cells. Protein deficiency can develop in heavy drinkers, both from the depression of protein synthesis in the cells and a poor diet. Heavy alcohol use can interfere with the intestinal cells' ability to absorb thiamin, folacin, and vitamin B12. Nutrient deficiencies are an inevitable consequence of heavy drinking b/c alcohol directly interferes with the body's use of nutrients, making important water soluble vitamins ineffective even when present in adequate amounts. The ONLY way to correct this problem is to take some nutrients though an IV drip or IV push. Alcohol usually raises blood pressure, due to an electrolyte imbalance, but this is not an immediate effect.
Two thirds of the calories in beer are alcohol derived (7 Kcal/gm). These calories are used primarily for heat and are not stored as muscle glycogen. Alcohol causes impaired gluconegenesis and lowers resting muscle glycogen levels.
Alcohol use results in decreased exercise time to exhaustion and decreased performance in middle-distance running events.
Athletes engaged in activities that require precise fine motor control, have a perception of reduced tension and increased relaxation as a result of alcohol, but the actual effect is decreased eye-hand coordination and impaired judgement and tracking.
Metabolism of alcohol interferes with breakdown of lactic acid and can result in build-up of lactic acid in the blood when alcohol is consumed right before or after strenuous exercise. (ever feel sore after a night of heavy drinking???)
Alcohol is a vasodilator: it causes the blood vessels near the surface of the skin to expand and thereby promotes heat loss and lower body temperature. (ever feel HOT while getting drunk??? this is why)
The use of alcohol the evening prior to an athletic event may be detrimental to performance. One study showed airline pilots performed consistently worse in task requiring attention and visual-motor coordination skills, 14 hours after igesting enough alcohol to reach a .10-.12 BAC (blood alcohol concentration). This BAC is reached when a 140lb. woman consumes 4-5 drinks in one hour.
"Alcohol acts as a direct toxin to type-2 fast twitch muscle fibers; the type most responsive to muscle hypertrophy (increase in size). A few studies have appeared in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research (22;1998). One examined the effects of a 12-week diet containing alcohol on protein synthesis rates in mice. Alcohol decreased muscle protein synthesis rates by 23-26% in the fast-twitch fibers of the rodents that habitually consumed moderate servings of alcohol. What appeared to cause this alcohol-induced drop in muscle building was a marked reduction in the anabolic hormone, insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1). In the presence of alcohol, circulating levels of IGF-1 dropped by up to 42%! That's IGF-1 in blood and muscle.
The largest of the internal organs, the liver, "weighs in" at 2.5 to 5 pounds. It is suspended behind the ribs on the upper right side of the abdomen and spans almost the entire width of the body over to the heart. It has two separate lobes that operate independently of each other (in case one side stops functioning). One unique feature of the liver is that it is capable of regenerating itself after a portion is removed. After a loss of up to 75% due to injury or surgery the remaining liver can grow back and be restored to normal size within several months.
Well as you can see I am against alcohol abuse. keyword ABUSE
Drinking in moderation is not bad for you, although it can still hurt you. Of course I still get drunk, but not every night.
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Dr.M
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Alcohol is fattening and catobolic, plus your already straining the liver/kidneys depending on what roids your talking, so why make it worse? Do you want to be on roids or an alcoholic, thats the way I look at it. I dont have a desire to drink really, unfortunately however I love ice cream 
Not a good idea. But sometimes you HAVE to be sociable. Some people might say your not dedicated enough, but in certain situations I'd rather accept the drink than offend someone. I just sip it, and try to get as much H20 in as possible. One or two beers probably won't make that much of a difference, but getting hammered until you can barely walk will.
RussianBro
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why drink... do weed... Stolichnaya makes you go crazy, but weed makes you go hungry... munchies are good...
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