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Harleymarleybone
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motodawg said:
What do you mean by HRT? If you just mean test replacement, they will all pay for it if your test levels are below normal and the doctor prescribes it.
Age you started HRT?
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What do you mean by HRT? If you just mean test replacement, they will all pay for it if your test levels are below normal and the doctor prescribes it.
Ok, after reading 11 pages I have a few questions
If you are a prior steroid gym nut and walked into a doctors office in your mid 20's and say "I think I have low testosterone levels" what do you think hes really going to say to you?
Do you guys go to your own doctors, or do you go to a different place you found on the web?
How do you ask for blood work to test for symptoms of low test? I feel like if I asked my mom or doctor about "low test levels" they will think i'm up to something shady.
What makes me worry is people who said they have had bad injuries. I suffered a severe head injury (more than 2) when I was younger and I am currently doing my first cycle and I feel GREAT. I have always delt with axiety, some depression, etc and I always thought it was from the injury. I thought to myself... if I feel better now, maybe I have low test levels? Once I started the depression has lifted and I feel generally better all around.
Thanks for the responses
If you are a prior steroid gym nut and walked into a doctors office in your mid 20's and say "I think I have low testosterone levels" what do you think hes really going to say to you?
Do you guys go to your own doctors, or do you go to a different place you found on the web?
How do you ask for blood work to test for symptoms of low test? I feel like if I asked my mom or doctor about "low test levels" they will think i'm up to something shady.
What makes me worry is people who said they have had bad injuries. I suffered a severe head injury (more than 2) when I was younger and I am currently doing my first cycle and I feel GREAT. I have always delt with axiety, some depression, etc and I always thought it was from the injury. I thought to myself... if I feel better now, maybe I have low test levels? Once I started the depression has lifted and I feel generally better all around.
Thanks for the responses
artificialaspirations
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Anyone been prescribed var? What symptoms yield an oxandrolone or halo prescription?
gyno_matic
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GAUDY said:
Same here---doing my second week of Test Enth 200 and feel like myself again. Strength at the gym, big guns, and I'm chasing my wife around the house with a swollen member 3 times a day. I feel like I'm 16 again at 35.
I went through a BAD depression during the last several years...I lost my last house, endured an IRS audit, faught a 3-year long civil lawsuit that cost me over $14,000 to defend myself...I went from hero to zero in a matter of months. Now, I'm back on top, but I never had the blood work done medically, but may go ahead and have it done in a few months when things calm down.
Ongoingsaga
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I'm 43 now. A year and a half ago, I came across several articles on andropause. I asked my primary care physician who agreed to do some tests. When the results came back, she agreed that they were very low but still barely in the acceptable range. So she wouldn't agree to HRT.
So, I went to a menopause specialist (who also has male patients). He looked at the results and said that he wanted to start immediately. I started on Testopel implants that day (along with an injection to jump start me). Within 3 days I felt BRAND FREAKING NEW !!!!
First of all, NO... ALL INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER IT.
Second of all, the testopel implants last about 4 months and cost me about $425 each trip... and although my regular health insurance doesn't cover it, I can pay for it out of my HSA.
So, I went to a menopause specialist (who also has male patients). He looked at the results and said that he wanted to start immediately. I started on Testopel implants that day (along with an injection to jump start me). Within 3 days I felt BRAND FREAKING NEW !!!!
First of all, NO... ALL INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER IT.
Second of all, the testopel implants last about 4 months and cost me about $425 each trip... and although my regular health insurance doesn't cover it, I can pay for it out of my HSA.
34 been on it for 2 years...I was born with Bi-lateral cryptorchidism and it was not fixed until I was 6....Also had mumps fall on me downstairs when I was 7 as well. Dr. told me my nuts were cooked until I was 6 and then cooked again at 7.
To bring them down they had to take a needle and suture and push that through my nuts and pull them down and then placed a sterile button on the backside of my scrotum to hold them down. I have scare tissue in both and started losing my "drive" around 27 or so.
To bring them down they had to take a needle and suture and push that through my nuts and pull them down and then placed a sterile button on the backside of my scrotum to hold them down. I have scare tissue in both and started losing my "drive" around 27 or so.
muscleup said:
Wow.
How are your levels now?
Dopamineloveaffair
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Started at age 30. Am on 200mg test per week, plus 100mg Deca.
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Has anyone heard of a Newer ( past 4 years of a HRT pellet called Soda Pelle Inplants? My Family Physician is getting certified and I have found a ton of websites reffering to the use of Soda Pelle inplants, but little to no info on the chemical make up. Only thing I can find is that its a Natural alternative to Hormone replacement thru plant sterols. Accordning to end users its no joke and has been helping both men and women drop there body fat dramitically and stay high energy and young. Does any one know where I can get some clear cut info on this twice a year implant? Very interested in hearing some reposnes.
AkA puffy
AkA puffy
Puff:
I had one treatment of Testopel. A test pellet. It was ok. Just very expensive. I think he put in 12 75mg pellets at once. They took a year to fully desolve. It hurt for a couple of min. but whatever...
here is some info:
http://www.slatepharma.com/TestopelPI.pdf
No I don't run HCG, don't have any problems yet. I am thinking about running 300mg/week of cyp and keeping the deca at 200mg/week...
Dave:
No, I think you are confusing HCG for PCT; they take HCG becuase their natty production is minimal or less, and adding supplemental test reduces this causing the nuts to stop producing and start shrinking. The HCG is too keep them up in size; however yes some do take HRT at a higher dose that raises their levels to 1,100 which is that of an 18YO probably. I don't take any other form of PCT, I have now started taking HCG so that I may keep my sperm count high in case I am called to duty to father another child. Hope that helps
No, I think you are confusing HCG for PCT; they take HCG becuase their natty production is minimal or less, and adding supplemental test reduces this causing the nuts to stop producing and start shrinking. The HCG is too keep them up in size; however yes some do take HRT at a higher dose that raises their levels to 1,100 which is that of an 18YO probably. I don't take any other form of PCT, I have now started taking HCG so that I may keep my sperm count high in case I am called to duty to father another child. Hope that helps
Im talking about the guys whos test levels are normal and do it just "because", or guys who are on 600mg/wk, or guys 18-22, or "self administer" with deca and other stuff added, or no bloodwork/documentation and do it anyway etc. I fully understand the legitimacy of HRT and its value but I wont kid myself and everyone else by saying Im on HRT when in reality all Im doing is plain old taking steroids. Its not a judgment call on what anyone uses, I just think HRT can begin to shed light and possibly begin to lighten the legal and cultural problems that surround steroids themselves, so I think its best to not blur the lines between clinically necessary HRT and simply "doing roids".
As in ur pm its more about how you feel vs how u used to feel! Test level is just one measure in a complex hormone balance that our body strives for. Get a full blood panel run and get a copy for yourself don't let your dr control what info he gives you:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/best-elitefitness-com/blood-tests-what-you-need-what-we-need-help-you-222249.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/best-elitefitness-com/blood-tests-what-you-need-what-we-need-help-you-222249.html
iron_matt-CB
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i was tested months ago pre cycle and was at 221 total test and thats ng/dl?? whatever it was its very low and ive decided trt is the way to go for me
gstacker
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I want to start HRT and HGH, but I'm getting information overload. I found a place that charges an arm and a leg and I think they cater to 50+ who are doing anti aging stuff. I'm 29 and 1/2 and want to go from 245lbs of flab to a lean 195lbs with diet, weight-lifting, and HGH. Can someone point me in the direction that will meet my needs?
Thanks,
Tits
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Tits
By definition, I have not yet started. HRT means never really comming off. Dail_tone - interesting that you where able go completely off after have been on HRT for 3 years. I submit you are an exception. Many may not be able to do this with out suffering from low test levels when discontinuing HRT. I suspect this to be very age dependent but then I do not see many in thier 20's an 30's actually needing HRT.
artificialaspirations
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Did you ever get hormone levels in those 2 year off?
rawlingmann
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more than likely because you used the Steroids is why you dont produce it now thats what happend to me I took Oxymethalone Anadrol 15 years ago and did one cycle then i was never the same i suffered from low test for the next 15 years I was so depressed because of it that I realized I need to be on HRT and once you are on it you are on it for LIFe thats why when you used the steroids once your testosterone will never produce naturally again thats the scary thing about Steroids but now Im on HRT 200 mg of Testosterone a day and Im big and strong again i dont mind it go see your local Primary doctor and ask him for a refferal to a Endocronologist however you spell it.
DJ_UFO
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200mg a day??? geezus that's scary. That's not HRT, that's professional bodybuilding! LOL.
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LiquidPhire
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Just hopped on hrt @ 24 almost 25..
WTF is wrong with doctors? Jesus, lets give a guy around 300mg or so every 3 weeks so his levels are never even. Lets let them fluctuate up and down continuously. Christ. Why not pull your head out of your ass and give the poor guy a weekly dose of 100 or 120mg or whatever he personally needs so he can have nice even levels all the time, sleep normal, not be moody, ect ect....
Nothing against you bro personally. Just seems like some docs dont know wtf they are doing.
Closest thing I ever had to HRT was 2 seperate 8 week cruises between blasts. One with 150mg test e Wk and the other with 250mg sust every 2 weeks. The sust was WAY better of an experience IMHO. I know its 2 weeks but thats the way sust is designed as we all know. Too bad our retarded FDA thinks sust has no medical use.
burn I agree with you totally. I believe for that same reason some if not most would rather self administer. I do not know how some peeps allow for them to feel great when they get the shot and 2 days later start feeling like crap for who knows how long as that is what their doc recomments.
Sustanon, even at low cc's has been the best bang for my $!
Sustanon, even at low cc's has been the best bang for my $!
Nothing personal taken bro. I'll give you an update, since most people can't believe I'm on a 3 week protocol. I just posted this in another thread, so I'm just going to cut/paste.
Doc set me up with 1.6ml Test Cyp (250mg/ml) every 3 weeks after initial blood tests showed Total T of 250 and Free T at the bottom end of the reference range also (sorry, but don't remember the number).
Once I was prescribed this TRT, I hopped on the net and did a bunch of research with regard to TRT/HRT. The general consensus among those posting on message boards is that more frequent administration is best. So, I thought I'd run the course my doc prescribed and see how it goes.
I get a "crash" at the end of the 3 week cycle (about 2 days prior to my next injection). Which would suggest I would benefit from a more frequent protocol. I was sure that my next blood test was going to show low, and that is when I would bring up to my doc, a more frequent protocol.
So, I just recently ran the next blood tests. Blood was drawn 13 days after the last injection.
Results: Total T = 775, Free T = 126. These numbers were slightly above my doc's reference range of TRT patients (Total T - 350-750, Free T 50-110).
My doc was really happy with the numbers.
He suggested that the "crash" I was feeling was indication that he wasn't overdosing me and the fact that it's only a couple days was indication he wasn't under dosing me.
For me (everybody is different), these numbers would suggest that the Test cyp is not only in your system for "8 days tops".
I still suggested to my doc that we move to a more frequent protocol, but he was happy with the outcome of the current protocol and wasn't willing to change, for now. I'm going to keep working on him though.
FWIW, I love the beginning "bump" of T and don't feel in adverse effects of the dropping T until 2 days before my next inj.
*Edit - I want to add that I bought and use Need2's Forma for use on week 3 of my current protocol. It has been a huge success for me. The 2 day crash I was feeling is virtually non existent and I usually drop about 5 pounds of water in that week.
31 being starteon androgel @ 50mg.
total test @ 168.
Been on for couple weeks with no benefit thus far. Just switched carriers from kaiser to blue shield and plan on seeing a new doc next week.
Going to tell him to prescribe injections and ask about hcg and redo labs with free test and check estrogen levels.
Cyp or test e is best in your opinions?
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total test @ 168.
Been on for couple weeks with no benefit thus far. Just switched carriers from kaiser to blue shield and plan on seeing a new doc next week.
Going to tell him to prescribe injections and ask about hcg and redo labs with free test and check estrogen levels.
Cyp or test e is best in your opinions?
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(UPDATE: Ooops, sorry just realized how old this thread was. But hey, it was at the top of the forum so...)
You say you have all the "symptoms" but have you actually had your blood tested lately? If indeed you are still lower than normal (for normal let's say 300 mg/nl Free Test) after more than one and a half years of "natural" then you should consider TRT. If you are above that level then don't consider it (for now, although you may need it later) and if you are including several months of PCT in that time frame then remove those as well. From the date of your last PCT day to today, has it been more than a year? And are you still below normal levels? If so - TRT. If not, save yourself a lot of trouble for now and think about it when you're over 30.
That's just my advice as another human being who has gone through something similar. I'm not a doctor.
Also, for all the guys saying what age they STARTED, it would also be good to know what age you are now. In other words, how long have you been on? I trust the experience and opinion of a guy who has been taking 100mg per week of test for ten years over someone who cycled 700mg + Decca for several years before finally going on TRT permanently a few months ago. Knowwhaddamean?
helpmeplease
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I voted 20-25 (i'm 22). I haven't started yet, but I've been trying to get my natural levels up for over a year now to no avail. I have an appointment with the urologist I first went to to have my blood work done next week, I think it's time to look into TRT + HCG (and maybe Arimidex, I'm still looking into that).
I just went on HRT/HGH from one of the top clinics in the states.
I'm 35, here's my regimen....would appreciate insights. They said they wanted to start me off slowly, week 4 i'll do another blood test and they'll up it where necessary.
Tev Tropin HGH - 1.25 IU 5 days a week / 2 days off
Testosterone Cypionate: .5cc / week
HCG: 4 days after testosterone injection, 50 units per injection
Anastrozole: Begin at week 3
About 8 daily supplements. Milk thistle, DHEA, and a few others.
I'm 35, here's my regimen....would appreciate insights. They said they wanted to start me off slowly, week 4 i'll do another blood test and they'll up it where necessary.
Tev Tropin HGH - 1.25 IU 5 days a week / 2 days off
Testosterone Cypionate: .5cc / week
HCG: 4 days after testosterone injection, 50 units per injection
Anastrozole: Begin at week 3
About 8 daily supplements. Milk thistle, DHEA, and a few others.
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Bullseye24
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Started at age 39 and on it for life now
27 y/o just started trt a week ago. 200 mg/ml test cyp eow. self admin. This all started building up as over the past 5 years i completely lost any bit of sex drive and all my motivation on a daily basis. About a year ago I started the process of seeing doctors at the V.A to have a varicocele on my left testicle removed, Ive had this since at least 14 and its only gotten bigger over the years, my right testicle was also undescended at some point as a child and surgicaly pulled down. after doing some research I decided to ask my primary care doc for a blood test to check my levels, my test level came back 248-250. I asked if that was normal and she told me yes and that wasnt the reason for my lack of libido and interest in things. Come to find out 250 is deff low for me at 26 at the time. I was doing some pre op and asked my urologist about the test level and explained my situation and he had me do a blood test on my brain function to see if my body had the brakes on and couldnt push out a number higher than 250...... months go by and no phone call explaining my results, I called and never got returned calls so i gave up.. Eventually i decided to self admin test enanthate at 250 e/w i did this for two weeks till i had another pre op and told a diff urologist what i was doing and why. he called upstairs to the doc who never retuned my calls and got me an appt that day, I went up and he said "sorry u must have got lost in follow up" and that my test came back abnormal ( gee thanks) the next morning i saw a doc in the endo dept gave some blood and walked out with what i needed. test c at 200mg eow.. i have a 6 month follow up.. I know this is a long post but i would also like to ask if anyone has experienced this next thing..... now i know i have a huge varicocele thats getting removed next month , the teste that it is on the doc said is really soft and the right one that was undescended is tiny do u think this could cause low test or I also used to be hooked on drugs (downers) and am clean now but have been on the methadone clinic for 4 years, I will be off the clinic in 20 more weeks on a 1 mg a week detox. I have came all the way down from 120 mg ed. My doc said it could be the methadone that its possible the methadone screwed with my test level and even when i get off the clinic it could take a year for my body to cycle back to normal.. Does that sound right?
TK777
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I started HRT at 34 due to my hypothyroidism. I take 3 grains of Armour Thyroid daily, .5 cc of testosterone cypionate weekly, and 20mg. of DHEA daily. I'm going to ask about HGH at my next follow-up. I don't know if I'll get my test raised or not. My estrogens and everything else is still good.
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Hey buddy , I was hooked on down as well , methadone and suboxodone most def cause low test , even weed causes low test so think of our bodies haha , I'm lucky that I'm only 23 and mine is slowly but surely going back to normal , I think your doc is right but yeah u def need a boost like you've been doing with the test and such , if levels aren't up to par after being off of methadone for 3 months , You will most likely have to do TrT for awhile .. But methadone and test shots are not a great mix bro , there workin against eachother , glad to hear ur getting off the
Meth death though, I know how it
Is that u can't just jump off it ,
Meth death though, I know how it
Is that u can't just jump off it ,
eyekanseayoo
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can a General Practitioner give HGH scripts????? Also how long to lab results usually take to come back? I plan on asking my GP to recommend me to a HRT clinic.. im 26... have had various trauma's .. head injury due to severe punch to my temple when i was like 17 yrs old .. also abused recreational drugs in my teen years..leading up to my early 20's where i ran a couple cycles.. with shit PCT.. and i feel like shit.. alwayss.. no sex drive.. no energy, losing weight/muscle fast.. depression.. no interest in anything.. feel withdrawn.. and its been like this for a couple years now.. I went to my GP.. to talk about my focus and anxiety.. thinking might help.. gave me adderall.. depression pills.. did nothing for me, made me feel even worse.. so i have been consulting HRT clinics about getting tested.. If i bring up the topic to my GP.. ive known my whole life.. small town doc.. do u think he would be able to help me with this.. or how should i go about finding the right place to go.. i feel like my life is in the gutter and have no motivation.. its not a way to live.. i need help..
TK777
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Eye..., I don't know if a general practitioner can prescribe HGH, however, they should have no problem ordering some blood tests to check your hormone levels. Starting testosterone is a start anyways. I have low testosterone secondary to my hypothyroidism. I went through 3 doctors before I found one to put me on Armour Thyroid and start me on testosterone. It was a painful process to get where I'm at, but it was definitely worth it.
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Im 37 and just got on Test Cyp, still don't feel anything as I was told to wait 6 to 8 weeks...let's see. So far I know my body hair has increased (im bald) and if anymore I may just belong in a zoo! So I know the Test is working... On top of that I've got Hypothyroidism and Im on meds for that... I still don't know why Im feeling so tired, sometimes I just can't wake up to go workout in the morning.
Anyone here with similar symptoms or have good advice on how to beat this?
Anyone here with similar symptoms or have good advice on how to beat this?
Lou A Villian
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I started at age 32. Went for third and fourth opinions. Multiple MRI's, blood work. don't rush it its for life
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XMAN.
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just bare with it more, u know androgens and estrogens affect ur neurotransmitters (brain chemicals) like dopamine and serotonine , the former makes u motivated where the latter give u the sense of well being , and starting from a low sex steroid level i think u need to wait until ur body adjust to it and increase ur neurotransmitters level, most ppl take time for this, some even wait more than 2 months to feel the full effect of hrt, u may discover later that ur test dose is not enough and need to increase it , the beginning of HRT is kind of experimenting phase to find the right test dose and AI if needed. r u taking HCG ?
viperbluelx
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sanfrandan
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53. Started with Androgel. Worked OK. Tried compounded cream, didn't work so well. Settled on Fortesta which was pretty much the same as Androgel. Told the doc that I really wanted better results at the gym so beginning of the year, he prescribed 200mg Test C per week which I split and pin Monday and Thursday. It's been about 7 weeks now and I'm really glad I made the switch to injections.
very young. <20
my eating disorder in my teens messed me up. 2 years post recovery my test was still near zero. Doc wouldn't give me test since I was so young so I just got my own. Felt so much better. 2 years after shooting test by myself I went to a new doc who actually listened to me and prescribed it to me.
my eating disorder in my teens messed me up. 2 years post recovery my test was still near zero. Doc wouldn't give me test since I was so young so I just got my own. Felt so much better. 2 years after shooting test by myself I went to a new doc who actually listened to me and prescribed it to me.
XMAN.
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Sorry to hear u had to face that at that very young age.
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leebigdaddy
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52 years young..lol !
layddually
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I was sick as a preteen and that screwed me up so I felt like shit till I was close to 30 then found out the problem.
StandAndDeliver
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I was seriously injured as a kid and didn't realize until many years later what was wrong. Came in at 144 ng/dl, supposed to be 280 min.
Took 6 years to find a doc who even half-assed treats me for low T.
Took 6 years to find a doc who even half-assed treats me for low T.
dew925
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Not to hijack a thread but doc just gave me 2 ml (400ml) test yesterday, an is going to do so everyother week for next few months. What kind of gains can I expect. Diet an workout is solid. 48 years old next month, 170 lbs down from 203 in February . 10 to 12 % bf . Could I kick start this test with beast?
PHGHI
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Went to my PCP who reviewed my blood work. Told me 239 was ok for my age of 50. Went to a HRT specialist who reviewed by blood work and gave me the full spectrum. Test Cyp, Armour Tyroid, B12/Bcomplex injectable, Sermorelin GHRP6 and cycle off with HCG for 10 days and back on the Test.
My energy level is awesome, I sleep well, sex is great, body composition is coming back to my 30's and my gym workouts is the best in 50 years. It changed my life for the better. I found it hard to get my friends on the band wagon with me but it's their life.
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My energy level is awesome, I sleep well, sex is great, body composition is coming back to my 30's and my gym workouts is the best in 50 years. It changed my life for the better. I found it hard to get my friends on the band wagon with me but it's their life.
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redhawk01
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239 might be ok for a 70yo, good thing you found someone else. Looks like you won the lotto with the new one. Hell, I'm almost 50, and that's around the test number I had before I started TRT. Good luck to you.
I began HRT at the age of 32 or 33. I had testicular cancer and felt like crap for many months after surgery and radiation. Even though my free and total test. levels were rock bottom, they were still considered as within range (totally healthy and normal for a 80 year old male apparently) but I was a young 30 something.
The medical advice I got initially was to see a psychiatrist!!!
Anyway, after a year of regular blood work and further declining levels my GP said I was to begin therapy. I've been on Sustanon 250 shots every 3 weeks for nearly a decade now and feel brilliant. However, now Organon who makes Sustanon 250, are having production issues, and so getting it is a problem in the UK at the moment. In the mean-time my doc has put me on Nebido x 1 shot every 3 months. Basically, the stuff is pants at best. Okay for the first 3 weeks and it's all down hill after that. Now I'm buying my own UGL Sustanon until the real stuff comes back. I wouldn't advise anyone to use Nebido unless they had enough foe regular injections i.e., x 1000mg every 4-6 weeks maximum.
The medical advice I got initially was to see a psychiatrist!!!
Anyway, after a year of regular blood work and further declining levels my GP said I was to begin therapy. I've been on Sustanon 250 shots every 3 weeks for nearly a decade now and feel brilliant. However, now Organon who makes Sustanon 250, are having production issues, and so getting it is a problem in the UK at the moment. In the mean-time my doc has put me on Nebido x 1 shot every 3 months. Basically, the stuff is pants at best. Okay for the first 3 weeks and it's all down hill after that. Now I'm buying my own UGL Sustanon until the real stuff comes back. I wouldn't advise anyone to use Nebido unless they had enough foe regular injections i.e., x 1000mg every 4-6 weeks maximum.
Headholio
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I'm going to have to pull out my Austin Powers English to American Dictionary for that.
sanfrandan
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Footdoc- what's your protocol? That's great progress.
beastreality
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My dad started his 4 weeks back and it's just kicking in. He's loving the energy he has gotten from it. He is doing 250/week self administered right now. Regular blood work allows me to check in on him and see if we need to tune anything as far as supports go.
Xaxist
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I started Test Cyp with my doctor at 39 for low test levels, probably because of my previous cycles dating back to the Paleolithic era of widespread steroid use (NCAA 1980s). My total testosterone was at the very bottom of the "normal" range but there was some controversy over the ranges at that time, so I was able to talk him into giving me testosterone therapy. At first, he gave me the injections, but I was able to convince him to prescribe me for 10ml bottles of test cyp at the time. I would save up the test cypionate and supplement the test cyp for my cycles, and I would try to be "off" more than I was on. I went hog wild on PCT as I had learned in the past that this was every bit as important as the cycle itself. Unfortunately, I had to move, and now all the doctors will give me is the androderm which just isn't the same imo (plus, it is a sticky pain in the ass). My test levels now on the androderm are basically the same as they were back when my test was first measured. When I was cycling with the test cyp, et al, I felt much better, even during PCT.
A good doctor is a must, whether they are taking complete care of your needs, you are using their prescription + supplementation, or you are doing on your own. In fact, I was the one who got my old doctor interested in HRT for men back before it was mainstream. You can educate yourself and do your own HRT and/or AAS cycles but having a doctor track your labs and general health is a must. You will probably find that, if well educated, you are going to know as much as most doctors about the practical aspects of HRT/AAS. Similiar to pain management docs, HRT docs are mostly subpar docs who find they can make 2-4x as much money doing that over general practice. Let's face it - you pay them to write the scripts you want, and they take advantage of this to make rediculous money! Save yourself some money, and order your own juice while you have a good GP or Internist monitor you. At least, that is my advice for anyone living in the U.S. Avoid the moneypit unless you have some kind of amazing insurance I have never heard of ...
A good doctor is a must, whether they are taking complete care of your needs, you are using their prescription + supplementation, or you are doing on your own. In fact, I was the one who got my old doctor interested in HRT for men back before it was mainstream. You can educate yourself and do your own HRT and/or AAS cycles but having a doctor track your labs and general health is a must. You will probably find that, if well educated, you are going to know as much as most doctors about the practical aspects of HRT/AAS. Similiar to pain management docs, HRT docs are mostly subpar docs who find they can make 2-4x as much money doing that over general practice. Let's face it - you pay them to write the scripts you want, and they take advantage of this to make rediculous money! Save yourself some money, and order your own juice while you have a good GP or Internist monitor you. At least, that is my advice for anyone living in the U.S. Avoid the moneypit unless you have some kind of amazing insurance I have never heard of ...
I only pay $110 every 4 months for my doctor visit with bloods done everytime. He writes 1 bottle for 8wks with one refill. The Testosterone and needles is $82 each time so I pay $275 every 4 months or roughly $70 a month. That isn't much at all and I would pay more if they charged more. This way I know I get pharma grade Test and my bloods are taken 3 times a year to make sure nothing is getting out of control.
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Ashwednesday666
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buttbeater
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Is anyone worried about blood, heart or prostate issues
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No not at all. Imo its much safer and more beneficial to stay on a hrt dose then to let age take its toll on your body. The reality is that maintaining healthy test levels over time will drastically improve your health and well being and the way you look and perform. Hrt is the way to go imo. Its just a matter of when you feel your ready. Some feel the need to wait and others like me don't wanna waste time. The natural body doesn't come close to what the enhanced body can do and achieve over time. Do what makes you happy but don't just accept feeling like crap because you are afraid to be on hrt. Like I said we are all headed there its just a matter of when your gonna need it. You can have the best diet and training in the world but at some point low test levels are gonna start hindering you. If its wasn't safe there would be people dropping dead all over the place. I know people that have been on juice for many years and they are fine. Running crazy doses for long periods can be dangerous but low conservative doses longterm with the occasional blast is relatively safe.
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Agreed. Been on TRT since 28. Did a lot of cycles in my 20's and shut me down permanently. Happy as hell since. Blast a cycle or 2 a year, otherwise just cruise.
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New member here, started HRT in January 2013, a few weeks prior to my 40th birthday. Pre TRT test levels were 240 total, can't recall free but it was significantly below the range. I probably could have benefited from it years earlier but hadn't even considered low test as a cause to my symptoms. Anxiety, depression, extreme fatigue are what brought me to the dr. Thought I had lyme's actually, but the dr ran a barrage of tests and it turned out to be low test levels. He put me on 200mg test cyp/ wk and life has never been better. I'm happy, lean, and stronger than I've ever been. Gained 25lbs of muscle, and of my lifts are up, bench went from 185x5 to 295x5, squats from 185x6 to 365x6. I've been considering running a blast cycle but still a bit on the fence. Thanks for allowing me to share my story.
At age 35 after vasectomy !!!
Suddenly started gaining fat and lost enthusiasm doc said I was at the lower normal range and offered TRT back then it was sust 250 every 3 weeks. It was years later I discovered it was a ASS lol I was on for 18 months then came off got depressed then read up on everything to do with it all and since then I have a better understanding.
Here's the thing though I talked to my doc about the sides etc and he seemed ignorant I asked why my nuts had shrunk etc and he said ur getting older!!! I asked about HCG took him some articles etc he discussed these with an endo and then told me it was all unproven science and not officially recognised!!
Since then I have self medicated and even for a time came off and did an HTPA restart protocol with complete success according to blood results.
I now blast and cruise but it's nice to know I can return to normal if I wish to.
HTPA restart works for some but it aint no fun for the last few weeks.
Suddenly started gaining fat and lost enthusiasm doc said I was at the lower normal range and offered TRT back then it was sust 250 every 3 weeks. It was years later I discovered it was a ASS lol I was on for 18 months then came off got depressed then read up on everything to do with it all and since then I have a better understanding.
Here's the thing though I talked to my doc about the sides etc and he seemed ignorant I asked why my nuts had shrunk etc and he said ur getting older!!! I asked about HCG took him some articles etc he discussed these with an endo and then told me it was all unproven science and not officially recognised!!
Since then I have self medicated and even for a time came off and did an HTPA restart protocol with complete success according to blood results.
I now blast and cruise but it's nice to know I can return to normal if I wish to.
HTPA restart works for some but it aint no fun for the last few weeks.
MrSinister
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Seriously kicking it around now. Currently 43.
37. Found an awesome doctor who is very forward thinking. My test was 429. Had naturally high shbg. My doctor prescribed cocktail is test cyp 100_150mg, winstrol 25mg, nandrolone (deca) 50 mg, full cc of b12. Inject every 5-7 days based on feel.
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Don't know how much u like sticking yourself but I found Mon am and thurs pm biweekly injections of 100mg to be better. You do not get as big of a peak release but you do not get a trough either. If I shot once weekly by day 5-6 I could tell my levels were falling. Guys "burn" through test at different rates. By day 6 I was sub 400 from one blood test. Get some winstrol and use a qtr ml with your test. It will keep your shbg below 20 and amplify the test your taking. Watch your estradiol levels. Four years of cyp and no anti estrogen it's gotta be high
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I need to live where you do, I am on HRT legal prescription but joints and all that I wish I could get someone that prescribes HGH for less than 350 per month (which isn't as high as I've seen by ANY stretch but that's for 2 IU's twice per week.)
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