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Evilqt

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Hey guys, I'm still sort of new to the whole cycling thing and would truly appreciate any advice. I'm 23, 6'3, 200lbs, 14% BF but with excess skin from when I was 250 and 23ish% BF. I've been trainning for about 3 years not counting the periods in time which I slack off and rest for months.

My first cycle:

Weighed 182lbs @ 15.5% BF and finished at my current stats.

Test C - 400mg/ week for 10 weeks

Dbol - 15mg ED for the first 4 weeks (1.2g of milk thistle throughout the weeks)

Arimidex - .50mg right after each shot and followed by .25mg EOD for 10 weeks

PCT 2 weeks after the last shot

Clomid - 100mg on the first day 50mg ED for 4 weeks.

Honestly, my diet wasn't the best cause it's hard for me to eat a lot so I had to mic up complex carbs into my protein drinks. My avergae consumption a day was 185g of protein. I know my diet sucked since I don't even know my avergae carbs nor fats. For my next cycle I plan to have it all planned out.

For my second cycle which won't begin 'till either January or April of 2013. I was considering Test E @ 500mg/ week for 12 weeks. What I don't know is if I should include Deca @ 200mg/ week or kickstart it with Dbol again but at 25mg ED for 4 weeks and end it w/ Anavar @ 50mg ED for 4 weeks.

If you have any other ideas for a recommended 2nd cycle or a different way to dose things, please let me know. I still have about 4 months and haven't purchased the gear just yet so I am open to any good cycle ideas.

I'm still new to it so I don't want to rush myself to it. What concerns me about deca is if it's still to early for me to use it so please help me w/ as much as possible. I also don't know if to stick to test C or try test E, that's why I am considering it for a 2nd cycle.
 
Evilqt said:
Hey guys, I'm still sort of new to the whole cycling thing and would truly appreciate any advice. I'm 23, 6'3, 200lbs, 14% BF but with excess skin from when I was 250 and 23ish% BF. I've been trainning for about 3 years not counting the periods in time which I slack off and rest for months.

My first cycle:

Weighed 182lbs @ 15.5% BF and finished at my current stats.

Test C - 400mg/ week for 10 weeks

Dbol - 15mg ED for the first 4 weeks (1.2g of milk thistle throughout the weeks)

Arimidex - .50mg right after each shot and followed by .25mg EOD for 10 weeks

PCT 2 weeks after the last shot

Clomid - 100mg on the first day 50mg ED for 4 weeks.

Honestly, my diet wasn't the best cause it's hard for me to eat a lot so I had to mic up complex carbs into my protein drinks. My avergae consumption a day was 185g of protein. I know my diet sucked since I don't even know my avergae carbs nor fats. For my next cycle I plan to have it all planned out.

For my second cycle which won't begin 'till either January or April of 2013. I was considering Test E @ 500mg/ week for 12 weeks. What I don't know is if I should include Deca @ 200mg/ week or kickstart it with Dbol again but at 25mg ED for 4 weeks and end it w/ Anavar @ 50mg ED for 4 weeks.

If you have any other ideas for a recommended 2nd cycle or a different way to dose things, please let me know. I still have about 4 months and haven't purchased the gear just yet so I am open to any good cycle ideas.

I'm still new to it so I don't want to rush myself to it. What concerns me about deca is if it's still to early for me to use it so please help me w/ as much as possible. I also don't know if to stick to test C or try test E, that's why I am considering it for a 2nd cycle.
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what you run is dependent upon your goals for the cycle... so what are your goals??
 
My main goal is to be at 225lbs and 11% BF. My goal for the cycle is to bulk up by putting on as much muscle as possible, hopefully a minimum of 12lbs.
 
it sounds like you had good results from your first cycle.. so think about if you did that same thing again, but ate right as well? Since you are a little more experienced, you could consider bumping up the dosage of the test and d-bol.

personally i would hold off on using the deca, it's one of those steroids that if you don't do everything right.. the risk will outweigh the reward. a suitable replacement if you wanted to stack two injectables would be equipose. with a proper diet, i think you would get a lot more leaner gains.. and gains that are easier to keep. would have to run a cycle for a little longer than 12 weeks tho to get the full benefit.

as far as test e or c.. either compound will work just fine. not a big difference in the esters.

your pct may need to be upgraded just a little but for the most part it looks like you have a pretty good gameplan. do a lot more research and studying about aas and dieting. the more knowledge you have the greater the benefits will be.
 
Evilqt said:
My main goal is to be at 225lbs and 11% BF. My goal for the cycle is to bulk up by putting on as much muscle as possible, hopefully a minimum of 12lbs.
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so your aiming more towards lean mass? there's a big difference between kickstarting with tbol or dbol... dbol is going to put size on you quickly but its going to be a lot of water... tbol will give nice lean gains that are very dry are much more likely to be kept... deca is a whole different story man... i feel like there's too many things to worry about with it that outweigh the gains from it... if your going to run it then you need to make sure you have caber or prami for prolactin and a strong pct and also definitely running hcg on cycle...
 
It looks like I'll be purchasing a 3rd 10ml vial of test e and approximately 1500 mg will be leftover during my 12 week cycle. My question is, should I add 3 extra weeks to my cycle or should I keep it at 12 weeks but up the dose to 625 per week? Is 500 ui of hcg twice a week during a test e cycle okay? I may kickstart it w/ either tbol or dbol and end it w/ anavar. Anyone know if there's a type of beastdrol still around, if so is it compareable to the orals i plan on taking?
 
I agree with timetogethuge..EQ is a better option than deca imo and ive used both seperate and together, it won't tip the scale like Deca but will provide quality, keepable gains and the sense of well being amazing and side free...heres how i would run your second cycle, i would run sustanon with EQ but if you already have Test E then that wil work...

Test E 500mg/week 1-14
EQ 600mg/week 1-14
Dbol 25-50mg/ed 1-4
N2GAURD 7 caps ed 1-4
Hcngerate 5 caps ed 1-4, 9-12
HCG 500 iu's (250 2x/week) 5-8, 13&14...1000ius e3d 15,16

pct
post cycle/unleashed combo 17-20
Clomid 25mg/ 17-20
 
i used deca once.. but i didn't eat enough to get its full benefits. I usually try to stay lean and under 10% body fat even when bulking. I see a lot of people turning to deca instead of eq and i really don't know why..
 
How's this then for 2nd cycle?

Week 1-4:
Tbol 60mg ED
1.5g of milk thistle EW

Week 1-12:
Test E 500mg EW
Arimidex .25mg EOD
I'll have 1500mg of Test leftover. Should I save it for a 3rd cycle, add 3 more weeks of test, or add 125mg to EW?

Week 14-18:
Nolvadex - 30/20/20/10
Clomid - 50/50/25/25

I plan on buying 2 vials of HCG. It's a total of 2 ml consisting of 10,000 iu. I think that 250 iu twice a week is enough but when in my cycle should I commence using it, and when should I stop? Also should I take more and stronger doses a week prior to my pct?
 
Evilqt said:
How's this then for 2nd cycle?

Week 1-4:
Tbol 60mg ED
1.5g of milk thistle EW

Week 1-12:
Test E 500mg EW
Arimidex .25mg EOD
I'll have 1500mg of Test leftover. Should I save it for a 3rd cycle, add 3 more weeks of test, or add 125mg to EW?

Week 14-18:
Nolvadex - 30/20/20/10
Clomid - 50/50/25/25

I plan on buying 2 vials of HCG. It's a total of 2 ml consisting of 10,000 iu. I think that 250 iu twice a week is enough but when in my cycle should I commence using it, and when should I stop? Also should I take more and stronger doses a week prior to my pct?
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Milk thistle is not enough protection when running an oral... you need n2guard... milk thistle will only help with your liver... your pct is shit man... you should not just use extra test because you have it... more or longer is not better

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I just purchased some Forma Stanzol and N2guard to ensure I have it in hand. W/ the cycle I plan on doing should my hcg be as fallows?:

Week 4-12: 250iu 2x a week

Week 13: 500iu EOD

Week 14: begin pct

Or what doses would you guys recommend and on which weeks? I want to know cause I prefer to purchase the pct and recovery products before the gear is in my possession.
 
1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-4 tbol 60 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 hcg 500 iu's week or hcgenerate

pct
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa powder or powerchews
 
If u got good results from ur first cycle, why change it? It's all about finding what works best for you. If its not broke, don't fix it pimp!!!
Good luck, btw, Dylan's pct is on point.... I'd listen!
 
I did some more research and took into consideration many of the supplements I was adviced to take and came up with this.

Week 1-4:
Tbol - 60/60/80/80
N2Guard - 7 capsules Ed

Week 1-12:
Test E- 500/ week
Forma Stanzol - 5/5 Ed
Arimidex - .25mg EoD

Week 1-18:
Unleashed - 2 caps Ed
N2KTS - 1 scoop Ed Pre-W
Creatine - 5g Ed Post-W
Glucosamine & Chondroitin - 1.5g of each Ed

Week 4-13:
Hcg - 250iu, twice/ week

Week 14-18:
Clomid - 25/25/25/25
Forma Stanzol - 5/5 Ed
Post Cycle - 3 Ed
Power Chews D-Test - 6 Ed

Thanks for the help and I hope to begin by January cause I know I can still build a few more pounds naturally without a problem. If you see something in my plan that is useless to take at a certain point in my cycle then let me know so I can research more on that part. My diet hasn't been fully planned out yet but I have 3 1/2 months to plan it. I plan on doing 4500 calories Ed by trying to eat as clean as possible. 60/30/10 would be my ideal goal for each day.
 
60% of your calories from protien is way overkill...30/50/20 would be ideal for bulking, not too mentin a hell of a lot less on the grocery bill lol, what you're planning on doing is almost 600g of protein a day that's twice what you need holy shit
 
Evilqt said:
I did some more research and took into consideration many of the supplements I was adviced to take and came up with this.

Week 1-4:
Tbol - 60/60/80/80
N2Guard - 7 capsules Ed

Week 1-12:
Test E- 500/ week
Forma Stanzol - 5/5 Ed
Arimidex - .25mg EoD

Week 1-18:
Unleashed - 2 caps Ed
N2KTS - 1 scoop Ed Pre-W
Creatine - 5g Ed Post-W
Glucosamine & Chondroitin - 1.5g of each Ed

Week 4-13:
Hcg - 250iu, twice/ week

Week 14-18:
Clomid - 25/25/25/25
Forma Stanzol - 5/5 Ed
Post Cycle - 3 Ed
Power Chews D-Test - 6 Ed

Thanks for the help and I hope to begin by January cause I know I can still build a few more pounds naturally without a problem. If you see something in my plan that is useless to take at a certain point in my cycle then let me know so I can research more on that part. My diet hasn't been fully planned out yet but I have 3 1/2 months to plan it. I plan on doing 4500 calories Ed by trying to eat as clean as possible. 60/30/10 would be my ideal goal for each day.
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bro, you do not need to run arimidex and forma both on cycle... run arimidex on cycle and forma in pct... running them together on cycle is too much... you will completely crush your estrogen and won't be able to make gains... change that bro...
 
Green_smoke said:
Why do you keep saying this then when there are much better things out there. I'm new to this scene myself but even I've learnt that nolva is no good for pct so why do you keep suggesting it? What are you trying to prove?
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Because Nova Blocks Estrogen while on cycle but does nothing to restore HPTA during PCT, I think thats what he meant.

Also the the OP ,So what if you have some test left over from that cycle, stored properly it will keep just fine and be ready for your next cycle.
 
Green_smoke said:
Why do you keep saying this then when there are much better things out there. I'm new to this scene myself but even I've learnt that nolva is no good for pct so why do you keep suggesting it? What are you trying to prove?
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He says it to promote his website imo
 
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